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  • JohnWatkins
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-22

    Hi.  This is my first of what will probably be many questions so thanks in advance for any help.  I've noticed that when I connect a keyboard directly to the aux in of the X32 Rack the level is fine with no adjustment needed, but when I use a DI and go into the mic preamps I need to adjust the gain to about +30 to get the same sound.  My guitar processors that have an XLR out don't require this adjustment.  Does anyone know what it is about the DI or the way the X32 sees it that causes this padding to occur?  Thanks again, John.

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    • JohnWatkins
      Paul_Vannatto


      @JohnWatkins wrote:


      I've noticed that when I connect a keyboard directly to the aux in of the X32 Rack the level is fine with no adjustment needed, but when I use a DI and go into the mic preamps I need to adjust the gain to about +30 to get the same sound. 





      Welcome to the forum John. Check the DI that you don't have a pad button pressed. 


       

      • May 22, 2020
    • JohnWatkins
      JohnWatkins

      Thanks for the quick response.  That was my thought too, but it isn't engaged and I even tried another DI.  Interestingly, I don't hear a fidelity difference between the two methods, but with previous mixers it was huge.

      • May 22, 2020
    • JohnWatkins
      RoelReynders

      Hi


      I would like to clarify a few things about DI's.


      They come in 2 forms (most commonly) a passive version or an active. The active ones are recognizable by the need of power in order for them to work. Or a battery or through phantom power (+48V from a desk or other powersupply). The passive ones do not need phantom power. Passive DI's always reduce the output power because of the internal electronic system (transformers). Mostly anything between -15 and -30 dB. The active ones can maintain the input power level.


      But DI's don't change levels from line to mic or instrument to mic as a standard way of working. It's a consequence of the built of the DI. They do change the impedance from Hi Z to Lo Z (that's what they were initialy built for). Most active DI's deliver a perfect instrument level around -30 dBu up to +8 dBu (e.g. BSS AR133). DI's can perfectly handle line levels as input and feed them through as line level output. That said, DI's are mostly used to change overloading input power into more acceptable input levels for pre amps and for balancing an unbalanced signal for further transport (more then 10 m or 30 feet). That's why most of them have PAD-buttons to even lower the input power when needed.


       So @JohnWatkins Do you have a passive DI? Than 30 dB is as Paul said perfectly common. Do you also use XLR cable from DI to desk? Maybe this could have a broken signal line (hot or cold) in which case you will loose 6 dB more.I suppose your guitar processor's XLR is probably an active DI-o/p

      • May 23, 2020
  • callahanryan
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-21

    Hi! I am curious what the status is of a bus only mixing app for musicians to mix their in ear monitors on stage (such as the M32-Q or MX-Q app). I'm using this console at a church where all musicians have wireless packs and I have to manually control their bus mixes each week. I know Mixing Station is available and works fantastically for me as the engineer. Anyone have any insight on the timeline of an app for the WING?

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    • callahanryan
      Paul_Vannatto


      @callahanryan wrote:


      I know Mixing Station is available and works fantastically for me as the engineer. Anyone have any insight on the timeline of an app for the WING?





      Mixing Station is available for the Wing and does have restrictive modes (select on first screen) that are designed specifically for mixing monitor mixes. 

      • May 21, 2020
    • callahanryan
      callahanryan

      But that would still require each musician to purchase to unlock the features for the WING right? It's just difficult to ask people to do that when there are different band members rotating every week. 

      • May 21, 2020
    • callahanryan
      Paul_Vannatto


      @callahanryan wrote:


      But that would still require each musician to purchase to unlock the features for the WING right? It's just difficult to ask people to do that when there are different band members rotating every week. 





      Last time I purchased a copy of Mixing Station Pro for my android tablet, the cost was something like $5.85 US. Are you saying that is too costly?


       

      • May 21, 2020
    • callahanryan
      callahanryan

      Asbolutely not. And I would personally pay for it 20 times if I could, but with all of our band members it's hard to ask people on a sunday morning when we're rehearsing to download this app, pay $6 through an in app purchase (and ensuring they know the right mixer to select), restrict access to their specific bus, and then mix their ears. 


      I know with the X32/M32 there was a waiting period for a dedicated app for musicians to mix their ears, so I was simply asking what the timeline is for that app to release or if it's even being developed.

      • May 21, 2020
  • loganvenderlic
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-21

    Hello! I have an X32 that I am about to start using with my band to run our monitors (whenever we can play live again!). 

    I am researching options for splitting the analog audio so I can give that to the venue's stagebox, and then sending it digitally via AES50 to our X32. Or something like this setup...

    All I've come up with so far is to buy an analog splitter and pair it with the Behringer S32 digital snake/stage box. Does anyone know of any other options? Particularly something more affordable (looks like this would cost at least $1,500)...

    I know I could just keep it all analog until it gets to our board and use XLR snakes for much cheaper. But I do like the idea of using just one Cat5 cable to get all the audio to our X32. Seems like a lot less fuss than 32 XLR fantails.

    It also seems like the S32 is geared more toward the venue vs. a touring band. It would be super cool if there was an analog splitter / AES50 digital snake combo option for bands so we could split the audio and optionally send the venue analog or digital audio.

    Any thoughts or help is GREATLY appreciated! Thanks guys!

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    • loganvenderlic
      Paul_Vannatto


      @loganvenderlic wrote:


      It also seems like the S32 is geared more toward the venue vs. a touring band. It would be super cool if there was an analog splitter / AES50 digital snake combo option for bands so we could split the audio and optionally send the venue analog or digital audio.





      As far as I know, there hasn't been a combo device developed. What some have done is combine the stagebox (S32 or 2 S16) and splitters, such as the Behringer MS8000 or Art S8 into a rack or flightcase.

      • May 21, 2020
  • 5dbride
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-21

    Recall scope and global safe filters should be more granular to allow selectively filter single physical inputs. Currently only whole sections such as "Local", "AES50 1", etc. can be filtered.

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  • sgruber9
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-20

    I'm working with a Behringer x32 for our church and am not sure how to change the level of effects on individual channels that are part of a matrix. I know how to do this just for the main mix, but not for a matrix. I think it has to do with the concept of post and pre-faders, which I finally understand the difference between. I'm relatively new to the sound world, so thanks in advance for your patience.

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    • sgruber9
      GaryHiggins

      @sgruber9 


      EDIT: I have edited this post as I had originally given some bad advice (thanks George!) Hope this is better!.


      Hello, matrix ch's can only have mixbuses and the mains in them. So ch's requiring more or less fx would likely get them by going to an fx bus first, usually bus 13-16, then the fx RETURNS for that particular effect would be added to: either an already existing mixbus in your matrix, or by creating a new mixbus that only has the desired fx return(s) in it then adding that to your matrix. Maybe then just increasing or decreasing the level of that bus (whichever one has that ch and fx you wanted) within the matrix, will do what you wanted.


       


       

      • May 20, 2020
    • sgruber9
      GeorgeDougherty

      Gary, you've spent too much time on the Wing


      On the X32 the FX bus 13-16 sends are pre-effect, which as I think about it is possibly a good way to send more dry signal to the matrix to do what I usually want, which is the opposite of adding more fx.  In my case it wouldn't work well since my fx buses get a LC/HC at 600 and 6K respectively for the Abbey Road studio trick.


      I tend to mix verb to the Main L/R for the room, which means I usually run fx hotter than I might for the broadcast feed, so I subgroup my vocals and run the dry vocal subgroup into the matrix just enough to reduce the verb balance but not so much that the vocal balance is thrown off. 


      It's the same idea as submixing drums and adding them into the broadcast mix to make up for an abundance of acoustic drums in the room.

      • May 20, 2020
    • sgruber9
      GaryHiggins

      @GeorgeDougherty 


      Yikes...got my sends and rtn's bassakwards!...sorry. Maybe the easiest way is to then create a post fader mixbus with only the specific fx rtn ch's in it and then add that bus to his matrix. (see my edited original post)  My point was as much about a ch itself not being able to be sent directly to a matrix. It needs to be part of a bus (or the mains) so it can. 

      • May 20, 2020
  • Greyhound10
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-20

    Hi everyone. I come from the world of location audio for TV/Film so mixing with this big a digital desk is a whole new animal to me. I am curious  how I can send a single channel strip to multiple mix buses. Here is my scenario. Corporate webcast w/ Multiple presenters, call-ins, music and VOG mic. Feeding audio from our location to multiple sites. 

    1) Phone participants can call in. I do a mix minus so i don't send it back out but send it to small stage monitors on set so hosts can hear them.

    2) I have to send music and VOG out to the main mix as well as the stage monitors. So my question is can I send individual channel strips to multiple mix buses at the same time? Ss that main show get participants, VOG and Music while phone, music and VOG get sent to floor speakers. Any advice on proper set up would be appreciated. Thanks

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    • Greyhound10
      GaryHiggins

      @Greyhound10 


      Hello, yes you can send any or all ch strips (inputs) to multiple buses at the same time. Generally the last 4 of the 16 mixbuses are used for fx sends, but that still leaves 12 different buses you can use and send where you please with whatever ch's you want to send.

      • May 20, 2020
    • Greyhound10
      KevinMaxwell

      Yes you can. But which mixer are you using this forum covers a lot of them.

      • May 20, 2020
    • Greyhound10
      Greyhound10

      I am using the X32.


       

      • May 20, 2020
  • AnthonieHunter
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-20

    On my X32 Rack I never cared much for the headphone output, but now I need it. I need to monitor several of the monitor outputs. However I don't know how to select the source. Monitor Source gives me this options:
    - Off
    - LR Bus
    - LR + M/C
    - LR PFL
    - LR AFL
    - Aux 5/6
    - Aux 7/8
    How can I hear the output of my mixbusses in my headphones?
    Appreciate any help!

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    • AnthonieHunter
      CraigFowler

      Those settings are for what appears at the monitor sockets when you haven't got anything soloed.  To hear your monitor mixes, solo them.

      • May 20, 2020
  • nelsonlugo0607
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-20

    I am using an x32 compact for FOH Mix. I'm looking to purchase the Producer for a out of house mix via live stream. I was told I could connect the Producer to the X32 compact. However, I was also told I would not be able to seperate the gain. Is that true? If so, what should I do? Thanks so much!    

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    • nelsonlugo0607
      DaveMorrison

      @nelsonlugo0607 


      You can connect them share the preamps between consoles (and send busses back and forth). The pre-amp can only be set to one value at a time. Either console can control it but only one at a time. The other console can use digital trim. I don't think it's a big deal. I set the gain at the begining of a show (leaving headrrom for "inspired" performances. If FOH changes the preamp levels in the middle of the show, the monitor mixes will likely be ruined.

      • May 20, 2020
  • andyp13
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-19

    Wing Monitor outs. I’m using the wing in a studio and have my studio monitors connected to the Aux out 7&8 so I can keep the master fader on ‘0’ dB and use the monitor level control (top left) as a master room volume. Everything is ok accept I am unable to get a signal into my headphones - I need to be able to turn the monitor level off to kill the sound in the speakers and use the headphone level control for the cans, does anyone know how to be able to set this up please. Thanks ?

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    • andyp13
      Paul_Vannatto


      @andyp13 wrote:


      I need to be able to turn the monitor level off to kill the sound in the speakers and use the headphone level control for the cans, does anyone know how to be able to set this up please. 





      Press the View button, top left corner. In the Monitor section you can select headphones, speakers or both.


       

      • May 19, 2020
    • andyp13
      mfk1312

      The WING has two individual monitor outputs. One for Geadphone and one for studio monitors or similar. The default routing of the headphone monitor is to output Aux 7 and 8. you can either change this, so that the other monitor out is routed to these sockets or you can freely assign any other possible output too. And as Paul said you can configure the monitor setup using the View button in the monitor section.

      • May 19, 2020
    • andyp13
      Michaeld241

      I have same studi o set up,and mine's work awesome...how do I run a second set of monitore without piggybacking...in order to do quad monitors 


       

      • June 6, 2020
  • andyp13
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-19

    Wing Monitor outs.
    I’m using the wing in a studio and have my studio monitors connected to the Aux out 7&8 so I can keep the master fader on ‘0’ dB and use the monitor level control (top left) as a master room volume. Everything is ok accept I am unable to get a signal into my headphones - I need to be able to turn the monitor level off to kill the sound in the speakers and use the headphone level control for the cans, does anyone know how to be able to set this up please. Thanks ?

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    • andyp13
      rickschwar

      I have a related problem. Like you, my studio monitors are connected to Aux 7/8, however, I hear sound in my headphones as long as the Monitor and Main output are set above zero. However, the PHONES LEVEL control doesn't do anything. Selecting the Speaker Output in the Live Monitoring section and touching MUTE, mutes the sound in the headphones as well. 


       


      Expected behavior


      - Selecting the Speaker Output in the Live Monitoring section and touching MUTE, should not mute the sound in the headphones. 


      - Changing the OUTPUT control from Headphones A, Speakers B or Both C should change determine where the Monitor output is heard. 

      • May 20, 2020
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