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  • supertwang
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-05-21

    Dear Behringer,

     

    I believe I speak for many when I ask you to please make more X32 core, single unit rack mixers.  The M32, while it may do something similar, does not have the front panel controls I need to at least minimally operate the mixer from the panel.  This includes a headphone jack.  Really???  How could you leave that off the M32 (or any mixer for that matter???)  The essential features the M32 lacks make the current iteration completely undesirable - I just can't bring myself to buy it.  And, I'll bet it isn't selling very well.  Please rectify that with a version 2, or re-release the x32 core.

     

    I'm currently rocking an XR18 and an XR12.  I LOVE THE LINE, but with a moderate table full of synths/fx, I am outgrowing the limited channel counts -- Ineed more inputs and sends.  More importantly, I need a unified mixer view on the computer.  I have a really hacky signal path due to this being two separate mixers, trying to be on unified one.  Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a good upgrade path for me within your lines of digital mixers.  Specifically, I have little to no rack space -- I could probably fit 1U (sideways along the desk?), but otherwise have no rack.  I also rely on the stagebox form factor, tucked away in the back of my music desk to keep my connections hidden and tidy.   The combo of x32 core + SD16 + SD16 is what I'd immediately buy if I could. (or an improved v2 m32).  

     

    Please help!

    Best

    ST

     

     

     

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    • supertwang
      RyanFinch

      I've got a sneaky suspicion that will never happen.


      When I finally got a used Core I almost immediately replaced it with a Rack. 

      • July 14, 2019
  • McElviss
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-05-21

    We have an Xr-16, we're a three piece rock band playing bars, and we usually self-engineer. What are our options for connecting an actual desk wwith controls you can see and get hold of rather than using a tablet or a laptop?

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    • McElviss
      RexBeckett

      Hi @McElviss ,


       


      An X-Touch controller would give you a physical surface most like that of a mixing desk. The motorized faders, bank switching and LCD scribble-strips make it quite easy to use for live mixing.

      • May 21, 2019
    • McElviss
      DaveMorrison

      @McElviss 


      What Rex said. And you can run more than one X-Touch at the same time (not the extender).

      • May 21, 2019
    • McElviss
      DaveMorrison

      @McElviss 


      1. Scribble Strips


      2. Motorized Faders


      3. Connection via Ethernet or MIDI


      4. Simultaneous Control of the XR16s faders and transport controls of a DAW


      5. Access to all channels, Busses, and FX returns with a push of the bank buttons (Faders and scribble strips follow the changes)


      6. Sends-on-Fader for all Aux Busses (they can't be controlled via MIDI)


      7. More resolution from the faders (not just the 128 steps of a MIDI continuous controller)


      8. No Programming


       


      A generic MIDI controller can control faders and panning. If it send OSC, you can control nearly anything.


       


      When I'm mixing and playing guitar, I bring my X-Touch because it's easy to make changes. And the faders always show the true state of the mixer. Changing a monitor level is simple.

      • May 23, 2019
    • McElviss
      McElviss

      How about the X Touch mini? Would that give us basic volume/EQ/Aux Send control on the fly? And plug straight in with no programming?

      • May 23, 2019
    • McElviss
      RexBeckett


      @McElviss wrote:


      How about the X Touch mini? Would that give us basic volume/EQ/Aux Send control on the fly? And plug straight in with no programming?





      @McElviss 


      You could use an X-Touch Mini connected to a tablet running Mixing Station XAir (MSX). MSX can learn and associate Midi messages with most mixer controls. This has the advantage of providing good visual monitoring of the various controls.


       


      You could also connect an X-Touch Mini to an XAir via a USB/Midi converter. See this thread. The XAir Midi implementation only supports basic faders, masters and mutes - so not EQ. Some programming of the X-Touch Mini is required. This technique works but it is much more limited than a full X-Touch.

      • May 23, 2019
  • dapeaceman
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-05-20

    Anyone know how to put an effect to four different singers?  Say I wanted them all to sound like the chipmunks, how would I put that FX on each of the four singers?

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  • SonicWave
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-05-19

    I am seeing unusual behaviour on my M32 running firmware 3.09.

     

    When I load a scene, make modifications, and try to save it as a new scene, it brings along the name and notes from the originally loaded scene.  This was not the case for the past 8 months and I am unsure how to reset the behaviour.  It requires that I now backspace and change the name and notes.  Not very efficient and prone to error by having multiple scenes with the same name.

     

    I plan to upgrade to firmware 3.11 this week but nothing about scenes is mentioned in the release notes and the behavior is not what is used to be.

     

    Thoughts?

     

    Skye

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    • SonicWave
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Skye @SonicWave,


       


      Welcome to the forum. Are you by chance seeing this issue when saving on the console itself? I haven't done it that way for some time, since I use M32-Edit most of the time. The console scene naming interface has got to be "worse case scenario" IMO.


       

      • May 19, 2019
    • SonicWave
      SonicWave

      Yes, on the console itself.  I can normally make a save quickly when the console behaves.


       


      Is there a place I can open a ticket for this as it is clearly a bug?  I never encountered it until about a month ago.


       


      Skye

      • May 19, 2019
    • SonicWave
      SonicWave

      Is this the correct place to discuss the M32?  It seems awfully quiet...

      • May 21, 2019
    • SonicWave
      Ssgrumman

      Good afternoon,


       


      What seems to be happening with the scenes? If you could describe in some detail plz.


       


      Sam

      • May 22, 2019
    • SonicWave
      Ssgrumman

      I had the same problem. Well, it’s more of a inconvenience. Any scene, before 3.09, would bring all the notes, stuff with it. Now, in 3.09, which had a couple of bug fixes, it also was the new design for X-Live. 3.11 would be a real smart direction to go. Since all 4 of my console are already on 3.11, I’m not sure if the, lets call them “unusual scenes”, will act the same, I've never tested it. 


       


      Sam


       

      • May 22, 2019
  • GioStefani
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-05-18

    I had purchased some effects from dbbaudio.com last year and loaded them via the M32-Edit (Library > Effects > Import) and they show on that laptop.  I have a backup laptop that I always bring with me in the event that one fails.  When I try to load the same effects on that laptop, they don't populate the Pos (Position), Name or Type field.  Not sure why this is happening.  Any ideas??

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    • GioStefani
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Gio @GioStefani,


       


      Good to hear from you again. Check the .efx files (they are ASCII files), particularly the first line. It should have something like the following:


      #2.0# 37 "BBM Female Vox" 1 9 1


      If it doesn't, that would explain why it won't populate the library list.


       

      • May 18, 2019
    • GioStefani
      RonniSantmyer

      mine have that info needed..I've done it in the past and used it for months.


      But now after I got a new DL32 because mine just died out of no where they sent me a new one I decided to also update to 4.1 but during a show realized mixing station wasn't showing me FX presets I had stored.


      I can't remember how I got them into the M32c last time. This is easier on my x32rack. But I need this figured out before this Sat gig. I can't see a way in M32 Edit to get them over there I tried and thumb drive doesn't work the same as x32Rack.. ugh

      • December 22, 2019
  • alienbee
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-05-17

    Equipment: XR12 . Ehternet
    Went into windows to start a recording session, opened up the  X-Air Edit app, went into start a new snapshot, loaded up one from our list used a while ago, to start up a fresh session. and for a second or so I went to grab my coffee behind me and turn back around and the app was gone off the desktop. I went to fire it back up thinking maybe I closed it by accedent, so I went to load it again, dubble clicked the icon, and it closed before I could see anything, tried it again, same thing. grabed my ipad, switched to "Access Point" - went right in. everything looked normal..so I went and did "initialize mixer" to see if i can kick start the app back to working. turned it back to Ethernet after restarting the mixer..went to windows and clicked app to start and..nothing..same behavior. closed before anything showed on the screen. 

    ok so..i have a linux manjaro box on the same system..went into that, used the app for linux and it fired right [email protected][email protected] ..
    went to snapshots and clicked the same template to start a session as we did before..(used this a few times before to start sessions). so the app closed down in linux too.. and i couldnt restart it just like in windows.

    went and downloaded the app again for linux and windows...treid fresh apps on both. same crash..
    pushed the pin to rest the XR12 for 2 seconds...and for 10, as mentioned int the manual..
    windows and linux apps dont load..
    but im able to load in with "Access Point" using my ipad.
    ??
    what in the hell is going on?
    anyone can help?

     

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    • alienbee
      alienbee odd thing is ..i used to be able to open the app when the mixer was off too.. not able to even start it when its off now..in linux and windwos
      • May 17, 2019
    • alienbee
      alienbee I went and enabled view of hidden files in my Linux box, and found a folder with X-Air stuff. Deleted all the files, and NOW the App works again for Linux!!

      going now to hunt for the folder inside of windows.



      • May 17, 2019
    • alienbee
      alienbee

      Ok found a fix!
      Windows 10  (replace "folder" for your own user name for that folder)


      C:\Users\"folder"\AppData\Roaming\X-AIR-Edit


      I deleted all files here
      "
      X-AIREdit.init
      X-AIREdit.keys
      "
      restarted App

      all fixed

      • May 17, 2019
    • alienbee
      RexBeckett

      Hi @alienbee , welcome to the community.


       


      As you have discovered, it is possible for a bad setting in X-AIREdit.init to cause XAir Edit to crash - even when used offline. It is interesting that your Linux system caught the same problem. That suggests it must have been triggered by something in the XR12 settings. Perhaps the snapshot you loaded has got corrupted and should be deleted or replaced.


       


      Thanks for sharing your solution.

      • May 17, 2019
  • GaryHiggins
    Superhero - Level 1
    2019-05-17
    X32 Mixers
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    • GaryHiggins
      RexBeckett

      @GaryHiggins 


      It is interesting that your post doesn't show on Home -> Updates, Gary. It seems that the Brand forum is  not connected to the rest of the community - or the history from the old forum. That may just make navigation even more difficult. 

      • May 16, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      GaryHiggins

      @RexBeckett Probably not quite ready for prime time, I also notice no option to edit a post...a function I often need! A step in the right direction maybe. It is also a number of steps (a few too many maybe) to get there but...hey, its a start 


       


      EDIT: Now I can edit!...could not a few hours ago

      • May 16, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      DaveMorrison

      As I was looking at this post in Rack Mixers https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Rack-Mixers/X-Air-App-Crashing-today-help/m-p/266896#M1 , I realized that the initial post is both at the top and bottom of the thread. How strange.

      • May 17, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      Kevin

      Hi @RexBeckett Its now connected to the Updates page. Sorry for the delay. Connecting Brand Tribes to Updates was not really part of the initial release for the restructuring but this seems really important to our users so we followed it up

      • May 17, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      RichardYClark

      The MusicTribe forum is now improved immensely. Working much better now. But still a way to go to be as good as the old one was IMHO. Thanks. 

      • May 17, 2019
  • NigelJaDee
    Contributor - Level 2
    2017-08-30
    All,

    I do live game streams and need a very crisp sound.

    I need to mix in 3 PCs and at least a 1 phone and 1 Ipad device.

    I have an XLR mic that will need to utilize a Roland VT-3 as well.

    I have read that AUX channels 17/18 are the stereo channels for connecting PCs. Is there a way to transform channels 15/16 into the same setup at 17/18 were it is one solo stereo channel? Sames with 13/14 and 11/12 and so on?

    The best way i have been able to do it is stereo link but when using compression its not uniform between the channels and treats them as two channels vs 1 channel. Same goes for AUTO mix which then causes a very weird Wobble effect because it will compress the left when it is softer than right to much vs treating them as 1 single channel like aux does for 17/18.

    I hope that i am clear.
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    • NigelJaDee
      FelixHomann Take a look at your Link Preferences. In the desktop applications yoou ou can find the Link Prefs in "Setup->Audio/Midi". Make sure to check all 4 check boxes. Then linking channels should work as expected.
      • August 30, 2017
    • NigelJaDee
      NigelJaDee

      Felix Homann;130496 wrote:

      Take a look at your Link Preferences. In the desktop applications yoou ou can find the Link Prefs in "Setup->Audio/Midi". Make sure to check all 4 check boxes. Then linking channels should work as expected.




      Awesome so i was doing the link correctly it appears.



      That said, the automix feature still treats the stereo channels solo from one another when auto compressing. Meaning it will compress the left channel if the right channel gets louder 15 compressed 16 open even in stereo link. Basically the stereo link is competing with itself instead of acting as one. Is this intended or a bug that will need fixed?
      • August 30, 2017
    • NigelJaDee
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Nigel,



      Welcome to the forum. I think you are misunderstanding the automix feature. It functions in a similar manner as the Dugan Automix devices that were used for panel discussions, etc. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automixer). I don't think it fits your application and it won't work with linked paired channels.
      • August 30, 2017
    • NigelJaDee
      NigelJaDee

      Paul Vannatto;130499 wrote:

      Hi Nigel,



      Welcome to the forum. I think you are misunderstanding the automix feature. It functions in a similar manner as the Dugan Automix devices that were used for panel discussions, etc. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automixer). I don't think it fits your application and it won't work with linked paired channels.




      Thank you for the clarification and the warm welcome.



      I guess i could do the same thing but using ducking and side chain the channels i need reduced to the mic.



      The reason the auto mix almost works perfectly for what I'm going for is i was able to allow my friends talking over voip (almost like a second mic) to talk and also duck the other channels as could I.



      Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way and need guidance as I'm new to live mixing and maybe ducking isn't the answer.



      For the example below how would i get this to work in a manner to make everything sound crisp and clear and still have everything live going out right at or close to 0.



      Channel 1 - Mic

      Channel 2 - VOIP

      Channel 3 - Guest Mic 1

      Channel 4 - Guest Mic 2



      Channel 15/16 - Computer 1 Stereo - Game Audio

      Channel 13/14 - Computer 2 Stereo - Misc Sounds and Audible alerts

      Channel 11/12 - Computer 3 Stereo - Dedicated Music
      • August 30, 2017
    • NigelJaDee
      Paul_Vannatto Hmm... a very good question Nigel. If it was me, I would apply the automixing to the mic channels (ch 1-4), but also send those to a mixbus. Then setup ducking of the stereo channels to be triggererd by that mixbus.
      • August 30, 2017
  • KingBurton
    Contributor - Level 2
    2017-08-12
    Hi everybody.

    Current
    Using electronic drum kit. Only L & R output so we pan hard L/R with low sounds one sire high sounds other.

    Goal
    But drum processor does have midi out. Is there a way to separate each drum to discreet channel through midi at DL16 to M32.

    If yes, how do I make that happen? Asking for three churches.

    Cheers.
    King
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    • KingBurton
      KevinMaxwell

      King Burton;129333 wrote:

      Hi everybody.



      Current

      Using electronic drum kit. Only L & R output so we pan hard L/R with low sounds one sire high sounds other.



      Goal

      But drum processor does have midi out. Is there a way to separate each drum to discreet channel through midi at DL16 to M32.



      If yes, how do I make that happen? Asking for three churches.



      Cheers.

      King




      I think you will find that the Midi outs on the Drums are control outputs. If you wanted to hit a drum and have it bring up or down a fader on the console then that might sort of work. But the Midi out is not a way to get the different drum sounds out of the drums to the mixer.
      • August 12, 2017
  • RejeanDoyon
    Contributor - Level 2
    2015-04-02
    Hello. I use a lot of virtual instruments in my computer (Kontakt 5, pianos, etc) I have test the X-32 rack with my USB connection. It's not very stable: rythm problem, some sounds don't play even with high buffer settings. Is the FireWire connection will be more stable and reliable with my setup ?
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    • RejeanDoyon
      FlorianGerstenl Rythm problems shouldn't be affected by th X32.

      Which program do you use as host? What's your audio, and your MIDI clock source?
      • April 2, 2015
    • RejeanDoyon
      RejeanDoyon I use Cubase 6.5 with Windows 7 64 bit. It's X-32 internal clock internal clock. I have compare side by side with a RME fireface UFX (FireWire connection). When a lot of virtual instruments are use, the RME is very smooth an stable. On the X-32, some missing or delayed parts and some audio sparks.
      • April 2, 2015
    • RejeanDoyon
      FlorianGerstenl Maybe you should change the ASIO buffer setting. It's possible that the standard setting of the X32 is much smaller. This leads to higher CPU load and the problems you described.
      • April 2, 2015
    • RejeanDoyon
      RejeanDoyon Yes, i have try this. I have try all combinations. Standard asio settings with 1024 buffer is the most stable.
      • April 2, 2015
    • RejeanDoyon
      Roblof Have you tried setting the clock to card instead of internal?



      I've not experienced the type of problem you have. Do you have some more intel to share?
      • April 2, 2015
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