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  • NormMast
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    Just curious about this.If I make changes in my loaded scene, such as routing settings or other changes. Does this affect ONLY that scene, or will other scenes also be affected? My hunch is only that scene, until I load that scene and save it to another scene, then it would apply to the other scene as well.Make sense?

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    • NormMast
      DaveMorrison

      @NormMast  Which product are you using?


      If you are talking about the XM32 mixers, this is usually true. Some settings can affect this though. 


       

      • June 1, 2019
    • NormMast
      Paul_Vannatto


      @NormMast wrote:


      Just curious about this.If I make changes in my loaded scene, such as routing settings or other changes. Does this affect ONLY that scene, or will other scenes also be affected? My hunch is only that scene, until I load that scene and save it to another scene, then it would apply to the other scene as well.Make sense?





      If you make changes and not save to a scene, it will not affect that scene or any other saved scene. If you have specific routing changes that you want to apply to all of your scenes, there are a number of ways to do that. Just let me know and I'll help you through it.


       

      • June 1, 2019
  • kinetic
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    Very happy to see Dimension D as an effect but it only is available as a side chain effect (unless I am mistaken).

    I thought the main use of the Dimension D was to process a signal fully wet.  Currently I want to process our singer's voice for one song through the Dimension D fully wet but I can't seem to find a way to do it.  I can imagine that at some stage in the future I will want to process guitars and keyboards the same way, both on stage and also in the studio (going into CuBase via the X32 USB card).

    Can anyone help?

    If Behringer is listening it would be very beneficial if this effect was available as a normal insert effect

    Thanks

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    • kinetic
      RexBeckett

      @kinetic 


      Hi Keith,


       


      The Dimensional Chorus FX does not have a wet/dry Mix control so is not suitable for use as an insert. You would not normally want to run it 100% Wet - unless it was in a bus pair with a parallel dry signal path (no obvious advantage over normal send/return usage).


       


      It doesn't appear in the list of insert-only processors for FX 5-8 as its computational requirements exceed the resources of those slots. 


       


      You could use X32 Snippets to switch the sends to a single FX side-chain slot so you could deploy the chorus for different sources during a gig.

      • May 31, 2019
    • kinetic
      kinetic

      Thanks Rex.  From my old studio days I remember we used to process (as an example) a guitar through a Dimension D.  We would always only want the processed sound (none of the original unprocessed signals at all).  But the real issue here is that one of the real benefits of the Dimension D was it's stereo field.  Processing a mono signal through the Dimension D on a channel on the X32 only results in a processede mono signal, so you can't get that fantastic stereo spread effect.  Since I've only had my X32 Producer for about a week I'm still on a fairly steep learning curve - perhaps there is a way to route the vocal signal to a stereo bus and then put the Dimension D as an insert on that stereo bus and then route that out to the main outs?  But of someone can help here that would be appreciated.


      I'm pleased though that you mentioned snippets - scenes and snippets is an area that I am learning about now and perhaps I should start a new thread about this.  But I was hoping to be able to turn effect on and off live at a gig.  It seems that the only way you can do this remotely is via a midi switcher, but I am wondering how hard or involved it is to do it manually from the desk during the show (and how quickly does the desk react to the change - ie is the much delay between swirching an effect on or off via a snippet?)


      Thaks for your response Rex

      • May 31, 2019
    • kinetic
      RexBeckett


      @kinetic wrote:


      Thanks Rex.  From my old studio days I remember we used to process (as an example) a guitar through a Dimension D.  We would always only want the processed sound (none of the original unprocessed signals at all).  But the real issue here is that one of the real benefits of the Dimension D was it's stereo field.  Processing a mono signal through the Dimension D on a channel on the X32 only results in a processede mono signal, so you can't get that fantastic stereo spread effect.  Since I've only had my X32 Producer for about a week I'm still on a fairly steep learning curve - perhaps there is a way to route the vocal signal to a stereo bus and then put the Dimension D as an insert on that stereo bus and then route that out to the main outs?  But of someone can help here that would be appreciated.


      I'm pleased though that you mentioned snippets - scenes and snippets is an area that I am learning about now and perhaps I should start a new thread about this.  But I was hoping to be able to turn effect on and off live at a gig.  It seems that the only way you can do this remotely is via a midi switcher, but I am wondering how hard or involved it is to do it manually from the desk during the show (and how quickly does the desk react to the change - ie is the much delay between swirching an effect on or off via a snippet?)


      Thaks for your response Rex





      @kinetic


      Hi Keith, FX Send buses are always mono but the Dimensional Chorus, like most X32 effects, has a stereo return output. Check the processor's STEREO switch.


       


      You could insert the Dimension into a bus/pair using one of the FX1 - 4 slots. I've never had occasion to try this but maybe it will give you what you want. I use it in normal send/return mode and like the subtle sound. If you want 100% wet, you would need to remove the original channel from the Main LR mix and assign the bus pair to Main.


       


      Snippets are mini versions of scenes. If they are only changing a few parameters, they are almost instant. They are commonly used for changing settings during live performance and do this very well.


       


       


       

      • May 31, 2019
    • kinetic
      kinetic

      Yes, sorry Rex I was getting myself confused re the side-chain FX return, which is of course stereo.


      Thanks for your comments re the Snippets - back to the manual and YouTube!

      • May 31, 2019
  • kozmosound
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    I am attempting to use an M32r at FOH and an X32 as a stage box. I get everything to connect.  All the green boxes are showing.  However, all I can seem to achieve is for the VU meters on the M32r to show what is on the X32 and nothing more.  If I change the name of a track on the X32 it doesnt effect the M32r.  If i adjust the fader on the X32 it doesnt effect the M32r.  Or vice versa.  Any insight into this and what I may be missing would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 

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    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett

      @kozmosound 


      Hi Kozmo, welcome to the community.


      It sounds like a problem with configuration or routing. Usually you would route all the local inputs on the X32 (stagebox) to AES50-A and connect this to the FOH AES50-A. Then set the FOH Inputs routing to the same AES50-A blocks to get the inputs from the X32.


      The X32 pre-amp gains affect the signal going to the FOH but the X32 channel controls would normally only be used for local monitor mixes.


       


      If you explain how you would like your system to work and where you want to connect the inputs and outputs, we can help you with the configuration. 

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      kozmosound

      Sik thank you for the quick response.  I would like:

      - M32r at FOH

      - X32 on stage.

      - All my inputs go into X32

      - All my outputs come from X32

      - I stand at M32 and twiddle knobs and it comes out the X32.

      - Also would like a stereo pair of outputs at least for a feed for this stream that is happening. 

      Both are firmware 3.11.  Currently connected M32r out of AES50A and into AES50A of X32.  I have a QSC chillin that I am using to listen to.  Stereo input into 1/2 of the X32 and out of where I want it to go (output 1/2 via matrix).  Essentially, my M32r is a glorified VU meter.  I can see all the levels that are on the X32 on my M32r.  But once I start moving faders, labeling channel strips, etc. neither effects the other.

      Hope this makes sense.  I am on stand by for your response while I smoke more doobs and watch more youtube tutorials. 

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett


      @kozmosound wrote:


      Sik thank you for the quick response.  I would like:

      - M32r at FOH

      - X32 on stage.

      - All my inputs go into X32

      - All my outputs come from X32

      - I stand at M32 and twiddle knobs and it comes out the X32.

      - Also would like a stereo pair of outputs at least for a feed for this stream that is happening. 

      Both are firmware 3.11.  Currently connected M32r out of AES50A and into AES50A of X32.  I have a QSC chillin that I am using to listen to.  Stereo input into 1/2 of the X32 and out of where I want it to go (output 1/2 via matrix).  Essentially, my M32r is a glorified VU meter.  I can see all the levels that are on the X32 on my M32r.  But once I start moving faders, labeling channel strips, etc. neither effects the other.

      Hope this makes sense.  I am on stand by for your response while I smoke more doobs and watch more youtube tutorials. 





      @kozmosound 


      On the X32, set the routing like this:


      X32 I.PNGX32 O.PNG


      On the M32R, set the routing like this:


      M32 I.PNGM32 O.PNG


      You also need to define your outputs 1-16. That would be something like this:


      M32 O 1-16.PNG


      You need to adjust this to suit your mix and possibly provide your local stereo outputs to XLR or Aux.


       


      It is probably easiest if you use the M32R Aux channels for the local inputs. These could still be through the local XLR inputs if required.


       


      If you want to be able to control the X32 pre-amps from the M32, open the X32 Setup -> Preamps page and check HA Remote AES50 Port A.


       


      Channel strip labels are local to each mixer so will not be reflected on the other device.

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      kozmosound

      Awesome, I got it to work. It seems that I was missing the AES50a routed to AES50b on the Midas.  I dont understand why this AES50b is routed at all since Im not using that port on either device.  Also which unit should be "synchornized" to AES50A technically?  I swapped and have tried with one on AES50a sync and one on internal and vice versa and it seems to lead to the same result.  

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett


      @kozmosound wrote:


      Awesome, I got it to work. It seems that I was missing the AES50a routed to AES50b on the Midas.  I dont understand why this AES50b is routed at all since Im not using that port on either device.  Also which unit should be "synchornized" to AES50A technically?  I swapped and have tried with one on AES50a sync and one on internal and vice versa and it seems to lead to the same result.  





      @kozmosound 


      I'm happy to hear it is working but it cannot be due to the AES50-B routing. That is redundant in your configuration.


       


      I would run the X32 with Internal synchronization and set to M32R to AES50 A. 


       

      • May 31, 2019
  • rasandler
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-05-31

    Hello - i just got an X2442usb, mainly for live sound.  at one of the places we play frequently, i would like to put the mixer about 50 or 60 feet away from the stage so i am thinking about buying a good snake to keep things clean.  my concern is how to connect the monitors.  some snakes have xlr returns and some have trs returns.  the mixer has xlr outputs for the mains and also balanced trs outputs for the main mix that i could use for the monitors.  however, if i wanted to use a sub group or channel output for a monitor, those are unbalanced ts jacks so distance becomes a consideration. 

    any suggestions on how best to handle this???

     

    thanks! 

     

    -Richard

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    • rasandler
      RexBeckett

      @rasandler 


      Hi Richard,


      It isn't ideal to run unbalanced audio over long cables although it can work fine at line-level. The biggest risk is getting ground-loop noise (hum/buzz). If this is a problem, you could use line-level audio transformers to balance and isolate the outputs. 


      Something like Jensen GLX would be suitable.

      • May 31, 2019
  • DwayneAasberg
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2019-05-30

    I think I'm missing something fundamental.  I am planning installation of an M32 at our church and reading the (abreviated) Midas documentation.

    What's the difference between faders 1-16 on layer 4 of the left fader bank (16 bus master channels) and faders 1-8 on layers 3 and 4 of the right fader bank (bus 1-8 or bus 9-16)?

    Aren't these the same things?

    What am I missing?

    Thx.  Dwayne A 

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  • ShaunSteele
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-05-30

    Hi guys. I bought an X32rack to back up my x32 console. I was told all I have to do if my console goes down is pull the thumb drive out of the console, stick it in the x32 rack and find the show fileand pull it up and see the scenes folder but when I click on the scene folder it goes to a screen that says 

    USB drive path

    /scenes

    audio files

    (..).     And this line is highlighted. When I click onthat it goes to the previous page that says scenes updates. Was I misinformed or am I missing something 

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  • kinetic
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-05-29

    Is it just me or do others feel that this new Music Tribe forum is CRAP?  Compared to other ftraditional forums such as Steinberg, Fractal, Telecaster Forum etc etc this 'new look' forum is just rubbish to me.  In the traditional forums it was very easy to search and browse posts to do with a partuclar product or aspect of that product.  Maybe I'm just old school but this new forum just doesn;t work for me at all and I think products like the Behringer X32 NEED and DESERVE a dedicated. easy to use forum.  I hope someone wakes up and gives us a decent traditional forum SOON

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    • kinetic
      Paul_Vannatto


      @kinetic wrote:


      Is it just me or do others feel that this new Music Tribe forum is CRAP?  Compared to other ftraditional forums such as Steinberg, Fractal, Telecaster Forum etc etc this 'new look' forum is just rubbish to me.  In the traditional forums it was very easy to search and browse posts to do with a partuclar product or aspect of that product.  Maybe I'm just old school but this new forum just doesn;t work for me at all and I think products like the Behringer X32 NEED and DESERVE a dedicated. easy to use forum.  I hope someone wakes up and gives us a decent traditional forum SOON





      I can assure you that it isn't just you...

      • May 30, 2019
    • kinetic
      MarcoCervi

      e too! I'm back here after long time, but this board is very difficult to browse now. Also, accessibility is very bad now (but this is my problem, I understand). For example, Paul, I must use search function to find your MX Terminal, to see if there is any update. In previous version it was very easy, just in Behringer section and it was there. Bad luck. Marco

      • June 2, 2019
    • kinetic
      PerHeldal

      You are not alone. It's as if MusicTribe dropped a bunch of aliens in their IT-department. Nobody with a little experience from the computer industry here on earth could slip up this badly. Worse is that it now has been going on for a year with no noticeable improvement. It's so bad that the CEO should have sacked them all and started over a long time ago.


      I just wonder what happended to the corporate culture in the company when Music Group became Music Tribe.  There was a downwards spiral all the way from when Music Group became visible as an organisation on top of their subsidiaries, but with Music Tribe they just fell off a cliff. It is as if they deliberately try to scare every one off; potential customers, old customers, the whole market. All MT websites are unbearably slow. It's impossible to get to the information without waiting for minutes. It looks like every page is passed through google translate, even english2english if you look at the URLs. And this forum doesn't work for support, it doesn't work for marketing, and I can't imaginge that it is of much use to the company internally either. Is there anybody there?


      Music Tribe brands have now lost me as a customer. I'm just here every now and then to look for information related to gear I already have. I will never buy any gear from manufacturers that virtually has no support. Not online, and hardly any via their distributors or resellers either. 

      • October 25, 2019
    • kinetic
      KellyPeterson

      it is crap   It is harder than hell ot even find the forum.  

      • October 28, 2019
  • staceyhainey
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-05-29

    Sorry for the simple question, BUT, my band is looking at an M32C and a DL32 stage box for pres. This will give us a true 32 channel board, my question is for the main outs. Unlike analog boards, and the Xair weve been using, there are no main outs on the box, or the M32C, i assume that i can assign main out duties to a pair of the 16 sends on the stage box via the virtual patchbay in edit..... Is this a correct assumption?
    Thanks in advance

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  • Emadson
    Triber Contributor
    2019-05-29

    DM Designer 2.9.1 and Firmware 2.9.1 available for download on KT website

    DM8000 Software and Firmware

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  • celoranta
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-05-29

    Hello all,

     

    Very sorry if this has been asked... I couldn't find a direct reference.

     

    For those of you using x32 and p16s, how do you generally map the 40 channels of x32 audio down to the 16 available p16 channels?  (To be clear, I understand that mix buses and matrixes are used for this... I'm inquiring as to your fold-down philosophies.)

     

    My band uses the following inputs as components in the personal IEM mixes:

    1) Guy #1 Voice

    2) Guy #2 Voice

    3) Guy #3 Voice

    4) Guy #2 Guitar

    5) Misc (Guitar / Chapman Stick Hi)

    6) Guy #3 Bass / Chapman Stick Lo

    7) Guy #1 Electronic Drums L

    8) Guy #1 Electronic Drums R

    9) Guy #1 Synth L

    10) Guy #1 Synth R

    11) Guy #2 Synth L

    12) Guy #2 Synth R

    13) Guy #3 Synth L

    14) Guy #3 Synth R

    15) Synth Bass L (Separated Out for Ease of Mix)

    16) Synth Bass R 

    17) Loops/Tracks/Clicks L

    18) Loops/Tracks/Clicks R

    19) Ambience/Audience L (Post Fader Verb and Delay Return)

    20) Ambience/Audience R (Post Fader Verb and Delay Return)

     

    As you can see, I need to shave things down by four channels somehow.  It would be perfectly acceptable to send the stereo instruments to FOH but send mono versions of all foursynths to IEM... but must an entire matrix be used for each and every stereo instrument to be routed to mono IEM?  Is there a simpler way to save on channels being used without using up the matrices?

     

    Any help is appreciated.

     

    Chris

     

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    • celoranta
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Chris @celoranta,


       


      Welcome to the forum. I'll answer your last question first.


      "Is there a simpler way to save on channels being used without using up the matrices?"


      Buses mix channel signals (sends). Matrixes mixes bus signals (sends). What you have listed are channel signals, not buses. Therefore you can't send them to matrixes. If you are using P16's, you should have plenty of available buses to change stereo signals to mono outputs.


       


      For example if you have mixbuses 9-12 available, you can send the 3 synth (L/R) to these mixbuses (eg. Guy #1 Synth L/R to mixbus 9, Guy #2 Synth L/R to mixbus 10, Guy #3 Synth L/R to mixbus 11) and maybe the Loops/Tracks/Clicks L/R to mixbus 12. Then simply assign these buses to 4 of the Ultranet outputs.


       


      Another option: if you are using one (or more) S16 for stageboxes, you could have 2 separate Ultranet zones with different signal assignments. The Ultranet port on the back of the console is directly connected to the Routing, Ultranet screen (assignments). The Ultranet port on the back of the S16 gets its signals from the 5th and 6th AES50 banks, which could be assigned different than the default P16 1-8, 9-16 (on the respective Routing, AES50 screen).


       

      • May 29, 2019
    • celoranta
      PaulTalley

      Just a reply to Paul.  I didn't know the Ultranet busses could be assigned separately like that.  Is that a recent feature add?

      • May 30, 2019
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