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  • lenfinalt
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-05-26

    Hello,

    I wanted to submit a feature request or hear any thoughts about it. I wondered about that a long time ago: Why must the mute button be only on/off with no fade time? If you unmuted a channel half a second too late, the audience would definitely hear it because of the hard cut. But if channels would be able to unmute and mute with a fade time of for example 300ms or lower, the change would be a lot smoother. Maybe this could be useful in live situations.

    I would be happy to hear any thoughts on that and/or why this is such a bad idea

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    • lenfinalt
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Lennart @lenfinalt ,


      Welcome to the forum. Your idea is not a bad idea, but is currently not practical. The reason is that the current control protocol for the Wing is not time based, similar to the OSC protocol of the X32/M32 and X-Air/M-Air. That is why I provided the fade, cross-fade, etc. tidbit commands with Live Toolbox. This is being ported to the Wing platform. Because the Wing control protocol is very different, it will take some time before it is ready for release. If you are inclined and capable to program in C, Patrick @PatrickGMaillot has developed a C library for the Wing called Wapi


       

      • May 26, 2020
    • lenfinalt
      PatrickGMaillot

      Hello,


       


      As Paul mentioned there are some limitations due to the non-time based aspect of most functions available in WING and other consoles such as OSC based X32, M32, etc.


      With WING, a delay on functions such as MUTE would have to 1) take place within the console FW itself and this has an impact on the computing actions in the console and the Behringer programmers cannot think of all the exotic things some users may want to do at some point with using their console, or 2) take place using an external application IF there's a way to separate surface controls from the actual actions available in the console.


      For example you would declare that the MUTE button doesn't have its native audio processing function, but is simply generating a 'surface control' code that an application can catch and act upon. The app is then very simple to write.


      Behringer has not developed this for X32, leaving the X32 surface controls always linked to internal/audio processing. WING so far is in the same situation. I hope this situation changes in the future and a real, opened, surface control mode becomes available. But this may take time, if it happens one day.


      -Patrick

      • May 26, 2020
    • lenfinalt
      lenfinalt

      @Paul_Vannatto Thank you, I will have a look at Wapi. This looks very interesting to me!


      @PatrickGMaillot Okay, this makes sense to me. Then the possibility to separate the control surface from the internal processing or hook on specific actions would be great. Maybe there will be an option for people who want to tweak their console a bit in the future.


      I would like to thank both of you for the detailed answers! Have a great evening.

      • May 26, 2020
  • senod138
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-21

    I just got 6 DP48s' really nice looking and solid feel.

    My issue is the Midas DP48 is not getting name or color assignments from Wing.I already updated it from the Midas website 5/21/20, so I have the latest firmware 1.2.

    I followed the instructions from the quick start guide on assigning by name and color through setup. I dont know what else to do. I checked in routing on the Wing that all my customizations  from AES50A/local and aux were being seen on the AES50B side.(B is what I am using for dp48s A is for the digital snakes).  Help please? any thoughts?

    Everything else is working though and it sounds great.

    dp48.jpg

    AES50B customization &  AES50AAES50B customization & AES50A

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    • senod138
      GaryHiggins

      @senod138 


      The Wing won’t pass that to DP48’s like the x/m32. Hope in a future firmware update it will be done.

      • May 21, 2020
    • senod138
      senod138

      Thanks for the reply.


      I saw somewhere where you can enter all the info via text, do you know where I can find that info?


       

      • June 5, 2020
    • senod138
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Michael @senod138 ,


      The DP48 has a new firmware (1.3) as of May 20. Also make sure the Wing firmware is 1.06. The channel names and color should be sent from the Wing to the DP48 (but not through a stagebox - eg. SD8) and should be available in the Edit and Assign screens.


       


      Group names can be added by creating a file called names.csv and placed in the DP48M folder of SD card. The group names must have a max of 8 characters in length and delimited by commas. For example:


      PaulVox,JohnVox,RingoVox,LGuitar,RGuitar,Bass,Keys,Leslie,Drums,,,


       


       

      • June 5, 2020
  • paka
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-11

    Hello,

    I'm using X Air Android app to control XR16 mixing console. Please is there any way how to chnage the color schema the app uses ? Even manual way by editing some file would be ok..  I would like to use a hybrid device, which is actually 8" Android tablet equipped with e-ink b/w display, to control it - which works, but some of the color used by default are almost not readable (The advantage for using such device is very good visibility even on direct sunlight, and also good batttery lifeteme as no backlight is needed)

    Pavel

     

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    • paka
      RexBeckett

      @paka 


      Hello Pavel, welcome to the community.


       


      I don't think this is possible with the XAir app for Android. The Mixing Station XAir Pro app has selectable colour schemes, though. This app is a later development of the standard XAir app by the same author. It has many improvements including the ability to create custom layouts. The Pro version is a paid-for app but it is well-worth the small price. The app is frequently updated with user-requested features.

      • May 10, 2020
  • BillFleming
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-27

    20200425_153809.jpgCH17-32 mapped to A01-A16CH17-32 mapped to A01-A16Ch1-16 mapped to A17-A32Ch1-16 mapped to A17-A32

     

    Good evening, We recently expanded our stage inputs by adding a 2nd DL16 so we now have two DL16s daisychained to the M32. When we were using just one DL16, its stage inputs were identified on the M32 as A17-32, however after adding the new DL16 to the end of the chain the inputs from the first box were shifted up to A1-16 and the new box is now assigned A17-32 (see pics). Is there a way through routing perhaps to have the original box appear as A17-32 and the new box to appear as A1-16? I looked into switching the routing by switching Inputs 1-16 to AES50 A1-16 and Inputs 17-32 to AES50 A17-32 on the Home screen (see pic) but managed to generate some major low frequency feedback (muted the main fader afterwards ), however the Inputs were no longer numbered sequentially as they are in the attached pics, which resulted in all inputs just displaying the letter A instead (which seems right to me). But after hearing the feedback I decided against testing it as I was there by myself so wanted to confirm that I was doing this the right way before locking down the configuration and blowing up our monitors. Thoughts?

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    • BillFleming
      DaveMorrison


      @BillFleming wrote:


      But after hearing the feedback I decided against testing it as I was there by myself so wanted to confirm that I was doing this the right way before locking down the configuration and blowing up our monitors. Thoughts?





      Check the new system at 1/10 of the performance volume?


      The A in the scribble strip refers to the AES50-A bus and the number is the channel number. If you want the original box to be A17-A32, then it needs to be second (after the new DL16). Old DL16 [A] --> [B] new DL16 [A] --> M32. The first DL16 in the chain is 1-16; the second, 17-32; the third 33-48.


      That will put the numbers in the right order, but doesn't explain how they were A17-32 in the first place. Did you replace a different box with the new one?


      If you want us to take a look at the your scene to look for feedback possibilities, you can upload your current scene. Also tell us which DL16 your monitors are connected to and it's switch position.


      Here are (older) instructions for saving/uploading a scene. https://behringerwiki.musictribe.com/index.php?title=Uploading_files_to_the_forum
      Upload by Choose File at the bottom of the window.

      • April 27, 2020
    • BillFleming
      GaryHiggins

      @BillFleming 


      In addition, double check the mode each one is set for. The first one should be in in mode 1 (no led's lit). The second one should be mode 2 (+8 led lit). This would be pertaining to outputs but that could be where the feedback problem was coming from based on where the xlr's outs were then connected. Setting them to the modes above would make by default, out 1-8 assignments come from  #1 and out 9-16 from #2. You can change that in your aes50 output routing if you want.


       


      Inputs if daisy chained as @DaveMorrison said, should be seen at the M32 by whichever DL is physically connected first to it, first would be seen as aes50 a 1-16, second would be aes50a 17-32. You can then of course rout those inputs into whatever input bank desired, so aes50 1-16 could be routed to mixer ch 17-32.

      • April 27, 2020
    • BillFleming
      DaveMorrison

      @BillFleming 


      The letter C is fot the Card (probably USB in your case).


      You can't change the number as it's simply the AES50 channel, but thats really not important. It's just an indicator of what source it comes from (and you can remap them per channels). If you really want A17 to be on channel 1, then make sure that box is second in the chain. On the Routing : Input page, Select AES50-A 17-24 to be bank one and AES50-A 25-32 to be bank two. It's just like you had in you pictures.

      • April 28, 2020
    • BillFleming
      BillFleming

      OK, still a little confused so I'll cut to the chase. Ultimately I want the first box connected to the M32 to be mapped to Inputs A17-A32 and the 2nd box connected to the first box to be mapped to inputs A01-16. You said "You can then of course rout those inputs into whatever input bank desired, so aes50 1-16 could be routed to mixer ch 17-32." which I take to mean that rerouting the way I was going about probably was working, the feedback most likely occurred because I had the mains up too high.


       


      In the meantime I found this pick online which illustrates what I was trying to say originally in that after rerouting the Inputs on the Home menu produces just a letter instead of the Input number - letter C in this pic and in my case the letter A. I take it that I'm going about this the right way, if not let me know if and where I messed up.


       


       


      MidasM32_ScribbleStrip.JPG


       


       


       


      Thanks!

      • April 28, 2020
  • PatrickGMaillot
    Valued Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-25

    Hello,

    "wapi" stands for WING API

    I just uploaded a first release (v0.1) of an application programming interface (API) for C language. It is available along with function prototypes and a small example at https://github.com/pmaillot/wapi/

    Work in progress, obviously

    I heard there will be more interfaces available soon, probably for other languages, and that's great news.

    -Patrick

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    • PatrickGMaillot
      Paul_Vannatto

      Many Thanks Patrick @PatrickGMaillot. This will be a great boost for the 3rd party community (including myself).


       

      • April 24, 2020
    • PatrickGMaillot
      PatrickGMaillot

      Accompanying video: https://youtu.be/kF26KztwN34


      Going to start working on nodes... making them similar to X32 format.

      • April 25, 2020
    • PatrickGMaillot
      PatrickGMaillot

      ver 0.3 loaded... (windows and mac) more functions, effect tokens, and no more errors on some getxxx() calls

      • April 29, 2020
    • PatrickGMaillot
      PatrickGMaillot

      Ver 0.4 loaded. windows and mac; with more functions, plugins and effect tokens, some corrections and get node commands.


      demo video: https://youtu.be/Ja_pQHBNaM8

      • May 3, 2020
    • PatrickGMaillot
      PatrickGMaillot

      version 0.5 is available at https://github/pmaillot/wapi
      more documentation, and meters availble, plus a small demo program for getting and displaying meter data.


      https://youtu.be/TLtINcf01BE


       

      • May 7, 2020
  • gslavonia
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-16

    Hi everyone,

    would really appreciate advise on this one.

    i use the M32R as a recording Interface with ProTools 12.4. (Converters and Mic pres sound great btw)

    I'd like to try and integrate an analog mix bus into the signal chain.  I assume I'd use the Inserts on the M32R.  I'm having trouble figuring this out between the I settings in ProTools and how to properly route the M32R.  

    Has anyone done set this up?

    @ChaseMcKnight

    @RexBeckett

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    • gslavonia
      DaveMorrison

      @gslavonia 


      Do you want additional processing as you're recording or processing on the mixdown? Internal FX or outboard gear?

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      gslavonia

      Hi Dave


      my plan is too start with an analog chain specifically for mix down.  I'd send a stereo signal, process it and then print it in ProTools.  If there are additional inserts available, I may also configure to use hardware as inserts on individual channels within ProTools.  First I want to set up the analog chain for the mix bus.


      @DaveMorrison

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      gslavonia

      To answer your question, mixdown.


      For tracking, I am good.

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      DaveMorrison

      @gslavonia 


      To use an insert go to the Routing : Aux In tab and set the channels you want to use as inserts Ins I . Then you can insert it on a pair of channels, Busses, Matrixes, or the Main LR bus. It's possible to send channels to a mixbuss pair. Then to the LR bus. Then to a Matrix, then to USB and back to ProTools. It's complicated, but it can work. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble, but we can help you if you want to try it.

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      gslavonia

      @DaveMorrison


      It does sound complicated but I would like to integrate external hardware and the M32R is my interface, so absolutely, I'd appreciate the advise.


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       

      • April 16, 2020
  • evenshows
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-04-14

    Hello

    everyone, I have a problem on my compact x32 indeed I no longer have talcback and no more source in and out as an auxiliary. Has anyone ever had this problem ? 

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    • evenshows
      GaryHiggins

      @evenshows 


      Hello, is it a routing issue? Sort of sounds like it. It may be best to post your scene here for us to take a look at. Lots of eager helpers! Also a few more details on the issue would help.

      • April 14, 2020
    • evenshows
      evenshows

      Hello


      Thank you for your response, I performed a full reset of the console but no more results.
      the breakdown happened at the start of a concert, the console worked correctly for a week without problem

      • April 14, 2020
  • GaryHiggins
    Superhero - Level 1
    2020-04-04

    I have been among the more critical voices with regard to this subject in the past....SO in the interest of being fair and giving credit where credit is due....There is a noted improvement here! I recently (in the last week) registered a new purchase and was glad to see an actual email response as well as getting my redemption code for tracktion (so what if I'm owed dozens) The wheels turned slowly but they do now turn!...so Thank You!

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    • GaryHiggins
      amoricanseth

      Gary - I just registered Q1202USB mixer that I purchased last month.  Based on your recent experience, how long should I expect it to take to receive the Tracktion redemption code? 

      • April 25, 2020
    • GaryHiggins
      RexBeckett


      @amoricanseth wrote:


      Gary - I just registered Q1202USB mixer that I purchased last month.  Based on your recent experience, how long should I expect it to take to receive the Tracktion redemption code? 





      @amoricanseth 


      I received acknowledgements and download codes for the last two products that I registered within one working day. As it's the weekend, you may have to wait until Monday. 

      • April 25, 2020
    • GaryHiggins
      amoricanseth

      Thanks for the quick response, Rex! I don't suppose that you have a link to what the entitlements per device are, do you?  I'm a little lost as to what I am going to be able to use.

      • April 25, 2020
    • GaryHiggins
      RexBeckett


      @amoricanseth wrote:


      Thanks for the quick response, Rex! I don't suppose that you have a link to what the entitlements per device are, do you?  I'm a little lost as to what I am going to be able to use.





      @amoricanseth 


      They should send you a download code for Waveform (DAW). There is some more software available on Q1202USB Downloads which includes an old version of Audacity. You can get the latest version of Audacity (free) from Audacity Downloads . Waveform is a more fully-featured DAW package but Audacity is easier to use for basic stereo recording and editing.

      • April 25, 2020
  • GeorgeDougherty
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-25

    Not sure what's up, but I can't see the edited version of this after my recent updates in the other thread.  Figured I'd get some learning done and share instead of doing real work while I'm stuck indoors.

    DBX 160 - Hard Knee VCA Type Compressor noted for use on drums.  Fixed slower attack and slower release.  Compression adjusts the ratio.  Threshold acts as typical threshold.  Output gain compensates for compression.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIri7OUyN0s
    BDX 160 Compressor/LimiterBDX 160 Compressor/Limiter

    DBX 560 VCA Overeasy Compressor, great general purpose on instruments.  Easy button enables soft knee.  Threshold is traditional style.  Compression ratio allows for negative ratios above infinity, reducing the output signal level below the threshold setting
    560a_manual_rev_a-pdf
    BDX 560 Easy CompressorBDX 560 Easy Compressor

    Drawmer DL241 - Clean, good all around, used to see them in all the touring racksDraw More D241Draw More D241

    Elysia Mpressor
    Eternal BlissEternal Bliss

    Neve 33609 - Noted for use on stereo busses and gluing things together
    Even Compressor/LimiterEven Compressor/Limiter

    Fairchild 670 - Vari-Mu Comp/Limiter Definitive Mastering Limiter, great on mixbuses.  This is a stereo linked version without the Mid/Side capability of the original.  Driving input gain warms up the sound running stronger signal into the emulated tubes.  Increasing Threshold control increases compression amount.  Time Constant control selects  between fixed attack/relese settings. 1: 200micro/300milli, 2: 200micro/800milli, 3: 400micro/2sec, 4: 800micro/5sec, 5: 200 micro/2sec single&10sec multipeak, 6: 400 micro/300milli &10sec multi peak & 25sec constant.  DC Bias adjusts ratio and knee.
    Fairkid Model 670Fairkid Model 670

    Teletronix LA-2A - Warm optical compressor great on vocals, bass, horns, strings.  Fixed slow attack, slow release, ratio.  Compress is 3:1, Limit is infinite:1.  Turn up Peak Reduction to increase amount of compression, essentially a reverse threshold.  Gain is post-compression makeup gain.  VU meter trails actual compression and you typically get more than you actually see.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnyk7V6SQlg
    Leveling Amplifier 2ALeveling Amplifier 2A

    Emperical Labs EL8 Distressor - Bass, snare, kick, things you need to smack down tight but can emulate multiple classic compressors.  This version ditches the audio distortion generation modes.  Ratio adjustment controls ratio, knee and threshold settings.  3:1 and lower are soft knee, 4:1 and 6:1 are soft knee below the threshold and move to hard knee above threshold.  10:1 is a special optical type compression.  10:1, Attack 10 Release 0 emulates an LA-2A.  Nuke is a brickwall limiter.  Input drives the signal into the threshold.  5-5-5-5 on the knobs is the classic starting point.
    distressor_manual.pdf
    No StressorNo Stressor

    Focusrite Red 3 Compressor - Clean VCA compressor, mix bus, vocals, adds a bit of high-mids back
    Red CompressorRed Compressor

    SSL 9000 Channel Comp - General purpose comp
    Soul 9000 Channel CompressorSoul 9000 Channel Compressor

    SSL 9000 G Bus Comp - Loved and revered as a general bus compressorSoul G Buss CompressorSoul G Buss Compressor

    SPL Transient Designer - Stupid simple transient shaper.  Wave DesignerWave Designer

    UREI/Universal Audio 1176 FET Compressor, Great on drums, vocals, bass, parallel compression.  Threshold is fixed, Input drives level up into the threshold, output gain compensates for compression and possible input increase.  Very fast attack and release.  Timing knobs are reversed from normal: 1 slowest through 7 fastest.
    76 Limiting Amplifier76 Limiting Amplifier

    ???? Behringer original to do what Waves Vocal Rider does?
    Auto Rider DynamicsAuto Rider Dynamics

    DBX 902 De-Esser, Solid performing de-esserBDX 902 De-EsserBDX 902 De-Esser

    SSL Console Emulated Preamp
    Soul Warmth PreampSoul Warmth Preamp

    Neve 84 EQ
    Even 84 EQEven 84 EQ

    Neve 88 EQ
    Even 88-Formant  EQEven 88-Formant EQ

    Focusrite ISA 110 EQ
    Fortissimo 110 EQFortissimo 110 EQ

    API 560 EQ
    PIA 560 EQPIA 560 EQ

    Pultec EQP-1A combined with the MEQ-5.  1A is low/high to right, MEQ-5 is 3-band mid to the left.  Classic trick is to use the boost and attenuation in parallel on a mixbus to bring out the low freq's in a controlled way.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwSlIo1IrDw
    Pulsar P1a/M5 EQPulsar P1a/M5 EQ

    SSL Channel EQ
    Soul Analog EQSoul Analog EQ

    Drawmer DL241 Expander/Gate Section
    Draw More 241 Expander/GateDraw More 241 Expander/Gate

    Neve 88RS Gate
    Even 88-GateEven 88-Gate

    SSL 9000 Channel Gate
    Soul 9000 Gate/ExpanderSoul 9000 Gate/Expander

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    • GeorgeDougherty
      GaryHiggins

      @GeorgeDougherty 


      Nice George!


       


      Hope I can find this again when I need it!

      • March 25, 2020
    • GeorgeDougherty
      curtbl

      This is great reference , thanks for taking the time! 

      • March 25, 2020
    • GeorgeDougherty
      DickStraathof

      Great reference George!
      Can you drop this in a .pdf file as well to keep on my laptop for future use please?

      Best regards DickS.

      • March 26, 2020
  • senod138
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-24

    Hello, I'm enjoying our new Wing 48 and I've updated the firmware the same day I got it which was last week. I also did the same with the 2 S16 stage boxes no issues. They both work when connected directly to the Wing. And when I connect them to the AES port A and Port B (In Parallel) at the same time they work fine. The problem is when I cascade them to each other using the method below that I copied from Sweetwater. (Substitute X32 with WING 48). By the way they both are synced, lights are green and I see my led signal on the second S16 (so I know its recieving my signal) but what I am not geting is the return signal to the mixer. I'm pretty sure I did the routing correct cause I repeated my steps for the first S16 (AES port A and it works fine)  but I assigned what I needed to AES port B.

    Hopefully I get the great Paul V to help me

    Thanks for your help Mike

     

    1. Using a shielded Cat5-e ethernet cable, connect the first S16’s AES50-A jack to your X32’s  AES50-A jack. 
    2. Next, connect the first S16’s AES50-B jack to your second S16’s AES50-A jack.
    3. On the X32, press the  SETUP button and use  ENCODER 2 to select a  Sample Rate .
    4. Use  ENCODER 2 to chose and select  INTERNAL Synchronization .
    5. Press the Routing button and assign the AES50 inputs to the X32 channels.
    6. On the S16’s, hold the CONFIG button and rotate the encoder to 1-8 for the first box and 9-16 for the second. 

     

     

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    • senod138
      Paul_Vannatto


      @senod138 wrote:


      Hopefully I get the great Paul V to help me





      Welcome to the forum Mike. I will fill in for him, if you don't mind. 


       


      First make sure that the master clock is coming from the Wing (Setup, Clock src=Internal) and not from either S16 (SN Master light is off). If the S16 is set to master, weird symptoms are a result. 


       


      Next make sure that the interconnectivity between the Wing and S16's are as follows [AES50 port]:


      Wing [A, B or C] <-> [A] S16 [B] <-> [A] S16


       


      One note that the step 6 listed is a bit misleading. The first S16 should have both Out+8 and Out+16 LED off, and the second S16 should have the Out+8 LED on only.


       


      On the Wing, go to the respective Routing, AES50 (A, B, or C) screen. 


      * Plug in a mic, instrument, etc. to an S16 input and provide a signal.


      * Select that input and set the gain and phantom as required. Provide a signal (eg. talk into the  mic.). Adjust as necessary. 


      * Choose the input type (Mono, Stereo, or Mid-side).


      * Customize the input by adding a descriptive name and color. 


      * Repeat for each inputs to be used.


       


      Select a channel strip


      * Select the second screen, and the Main. Just below will be a blank box - select that.


      * On the right, choose the respective AES50 block.


      * Select the desired input for this channel


      * Below copy the customization by pressing the >> (this will change in 1.06 firmware)


      * Repeat for each channel strip.


       

      • March 24, 2020
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