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  • marco_m_berlin
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-12-17

    Hi, I am sure, Ulli Behringer is interested in every BUG in a TD3.

    i think he will never know - due to this non working ticket system.

    1. The slide function is not accessable via midi control.

    2. Slide speed is 4 times faster than with a tb-303 or any other clone in the world.TD3_vsTB03_CV_slide.png

     


    We need a firmware update. AND A FEEDBACK THAT YOU HEAR IT.
    Marco Mueller / Berlin / Germany

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    • marco_m_berlin
      3phase

      they dont hear, and they dont want to hear. I will return the td-3.. 


      besides the slide behaviour is the smallest of the bugs..


      no1 is that writing of linked patterns is not working.. essentially crippeling the device to a one bar motiv only device.. inferior to the original 303, that does 4 bar motivs, and all good clones that do even 8 bars.. What is especially important on real time tap input, since this alows longer recording times and long held notes.. 


       


       


       


       

      • December 23, 2019
    • marco_m_berlin
      3phase

      and just too add a few more.. in case i am wrong and they really have a look here.. in this most deserted forum on the globe..


      no2 heavy bug)


      wrong handling of the pitch memory.. 


      On the original 303 each bank shares a pitch memory.. each pattern has its own start within the pitch memory.. when the number of pitches is exceeded by the time infos, the rest if the pitch buffer is used.. parts of neighboring patterns.. That results in musical usefull results.. as longer you write one bank as more likely all pitches fit harmonical. even your own style gets visible in the additional pitches used. Thats part of the musical ghost of the 303.. the td-3 just inserts low c notes in any case it dont knows what pitch to use.. thats unmusical programming that leads in 100% of the cases to unmusical results, that need manual edit/ repair. A big workflow killer, that makes stage writing too risky to be performed. 


      3.2) transpose flags of pitch memory get lost when leaving write without doing a time write/edit routine


      4) pattern transpose not working when leaving write mode without stopping


      5) tap write in external sync bug


       


       


       


       

      • December 23, 2019
    • marco_m_berlin
      marco_m_berlin

      New Firmware 1.2.4,  Slide Speed is correct now. Thanks to Behringer!


      Slide via Midi Control is still not availabel.  


       


       


       


       

      • January 6, 2020
    • marco_m_berlin
      HerrFuchs

      Yes please make for us a update.. Uli ❤️

      • January 19, 2020
    • marco_m_berlin
      B-Ry

      where do you download firmware from?


       


      thank you

      • January 28, 2020
  • HeikoKnuettel
    Regular Contributor - Level 1
    2019-10-02

    It should let me configure the D, the Odyssey and the VC340.

     

    VC340: Synth found, but update not possible ("Failed, check network and press to retry")

    Model D: Synth is not found

    Odyssey: Synth is not found

     

    All synths are present in the device manager and can be played via MIDI or USB.

     

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    • HeikoKnuettel
      DannyBudts

      It has nothing to do with the synths themselves but with some computer systems. I had the same problem. I closed all other audio us-drivers in the device manager, than the synths were recognised, I could update, I opened all drivers again...fine.


      I opened a case for it, the asked me for all details, they are aware of it and they are working on it. 


      Hope this also works for you. 

      • October 2, 2019
    • HeikoKnuettel
      HeikoKnuettel

      Thank you very much, that worked!


      I hope they get rid of this auto-selection of synths. Even if it worked (which obviously isn't the case) it is annoying if you have more than one synth, you always have to turn the others off.

      • October 2, 2019
    • HeikoKnuettel
      ChrisRose

      It's not working here for me either. The Synth Tool sees that my Model D is connected, but when I click on "Update" all I see is version 1.1.1 and a box beneath that which says "Loading".


      Nothing happens for about a minute, then I receive the same message: "Failed, check network and press to retry."


      Capture.JPG


      I've tried this on two separate PC's, both connected to the interent, and I get the same result on both machines. One is running Windows 10 64 Bit (latest version) and the other is running Windows 7 64 Bit (latest version). 

      • October 3, 2019
    • HeikoKnuettel
      HeikoKnuettel

      Update doesn't work for me either, on none of the 3 synths. Deactivating other drivers helped so that the tool at least found them.


      I added a rule for the windows firewall, but to no avail, updating doesn't work.


      My D is on Firmware 1.1.1 too.

      • October 3, 2019
    • HeikoKnuettel
      Talos

      It see's my Odyssey and I can change all the settings and sequences but when I go to the update page I just get ("Failed, check network and press to retry")


      Please release the OS updates seperately till the synth tool is fixed, and the rest of the settings as sysex

      • October 5, 2019
  • Hrieck
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-12-20

    Hello,

    unfortunately the clock divider is lost in the latest synth tool. would be great, if this will be come back in the next versions. couldn't get to Behringer via support ticket, because the CRAVE is not listed.

    Thanks in advance

    Holger

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    • Hrieck
      Talos

      Same for the Oddysey too please 

      • December 20, 2019
    • Hrieck
      LauraTodd


      @Hrieck wrote:


      Hello,


      unfortunately the clock divider is lost in the latest synth tool. would be great, if this will be come back in the next versions. couldn't get to Behringer via support ticket, because the CRAVE is not listed.


      Thanks in advance


      Holger





      I just wrote a support ticket too. Since Crave was not listed I just picked the first thing on the list, and wrote CRAVE on the subject of my support ticket.

      • December 22, 2019
    • Hrieck
      LauraTodd


      @LauraTodd wrote:




      @Hrieck wrote:

      Holger





      I just wrote a support ticket too. Since Crave was not listed I just picked the first thing on the list, and wrote CRAVE on the subject of my support ticket.





      Actually I am downloading an earlier version of Synthtool from Nov. 8. Perhaps if I deleted the current version & installed that, it would help me overwrite the upgrade and go back to version 1.0.6.

      • December 22, 2019
    • Hrieck
      LauraTodd

      Today I got this message from George Hernandez at Music Tribe:

      "I have received an update from the developers on the clock division issue. Apparently many users have complained this was too difficult to use so it was decided it will not be returning. I don't agree this is the best course of action but I'm told the manuals will be updated to reflect this."

      What??? The Tempo Knob is too difficult to use?? Or was he talking about that procedure in the Manual, where you press "shift, Hold, *8" etc. I wrote back & asked him to clarify.
      He also said he could send me a sysex of the downgrade. That's nice, but as a former Ableton user, I'm not too well versed in old-fashioned things like sysex and MIDI Ox.
      Give me back my Tempo Knob that every synth should have, or I will be officially Un-Craved.



      • January 2, 2020
    • Hrieck
      LauraTodd


      Today I succeeded in installing the Firmware Downgrade to version 1.0.6. I used a freeware called MIDI OX to pass the sysex file of the downgrade. Happily, I was successful and now that I have the tempo knob back, I'm happy & will keep my Crave!

      If anyone doesn't have a programming background & doesnt know how to use MIDI OX, I created a pdf file describing the process. It's not too difficult but old programs are a little awkward with their phrasing. Standard disclaimer, use at own risk, and I don't think MIDI Ox works with Mac.

      Good luck!







       

      Crave firmware downgrade.pdf
      • January 2, 2020
  • jstck
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-11-27

    (cross post from a different forum section, thinking this is probably the more appropriate one)

    I recently got a Behringer Crave, and I want to play it with a wind controller via MIDI. I want to use some MIDI CC message from the breath pressure to control the filter cutoff. I can set this up by having the "Assign" CV output to a suitable CC (such as channel aftertouch or modwheel, I can use either), and patching "Assign" to "VCF Cutoff".

    However, when doing so, the filter modulation is very "chunky", it appears as if the CV value output is only updated on every sequencer step. I don't have the sequencer actually running, but turning the tempo knob changes the update rate (from "every couple of seconds" to "a couple dozen times a second"). Still, this is not nearly often enough to create a smooth filter sweep, and I would expect the CV value to change every time a MIDI message comes in, and not "quantized" by the sequencer.

    If I use a separate MIDI-to-CV converter or another synthesizer instead of the Crave MIDI in, and patching that to the CV inputs of the Crave, everything plays just fine and the filter sweep is nice, smooth and responsive.

    The other issue I have is with regards to pitch bend. When you play a note and then bend it, everything works fine. When you release the pitch bend wheel, it goes back to "zero bend". However, if you hold the pitch bend wheel and then play a note, things get weirder. Let's say you have the Crave set to the standard +/-2 semitones, and hold the pitch bend wheel "full down". When you play the note, it starts out at -2 semitones, but as soon as you move the wheel a little bit, it jumps down to -4 semitones. Releasing the wheel (still playing the note), it moves to -2 semitones, and "full up" will then take it to 0. It's very obvious if you release the wheel and keep the note going, it's still stuck at -2 (even though pitch bend is centered), releasing the key and pressing it again will give you a different note (the "unbent" one). Not sure how well I explain this, but it's obvious if you try playing a note with the pitch bend wheel already "bent".

    Both of these seem to me like they could be firmware issues dealing with the incoming MIDI data, and maybe something that can be fixed. At least the pitch bend issue seems like it can't be intended behaviour. About the CC/Assign issue, I haven't seen anything in the manual that could control that behaviour, or if it is the intended one, but it seems off to me.

    I discovered these issues on firmware version 1.0.4, but they have persisted through a couple of updates up to 1.0.8. I have only tried "plain MIDI in", not USB, but I've tried with a couple different MIDI controllers (and compared with other synths), and the issue is isolated to the Crave.

    Does anyone else experience the same issues, or know of any way to get around them?

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    • jstck
      jstck

      Update: After working a ticket back and forth with customer support, from firmware 1.0.9 (via SynthTool 2.2.0), both the pitch bend and the "assign out" issues have been resolved. It now plays soooo much better with my wind controller.

      • December 3, 2019
  • shushstudio
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-05

    Hi there, I have a major problem. The first time I used my Deepmind 12 connected via USB midi (I had previously used it not connected to check out the sounds) there was some kind of malfunction as it played itself, and even when I pulled out the USB midi lead, it continued to play.) I thought it might have been a problem with the synth itself so, I tried it again and eventually decided to update the firmware but to no avail. This was cured by trashing Logic X preferences so bad midi instructions must have been being sent. This fixed the autonomous strange play problem. I then noticed that the patches had changed in there sound and were not correct. So I restored the synth using the PROG WRITE key commands on startup restoring all steps 1 -5. Again it made no difference. I downloaded SysEx librarian and ran and installed the factory combined presets using SysEx librarian. However, the original factory sounds have not been re-instated instead I still have the messed up sounds after the midi problem incident.   

    Can anyone help me get the synth back to the original factory patches, it is working fine now apart from this, but sadly is of little use to me as the sound patches are now unusable. Thanks Dx

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    • shushstudio
      Scatterplot

      Your manual shows you how to reset your DM12 to factory defaults, this will reinstate all patches.

      • June 6, 2019
    • shushstudio
      RonaldFigura

      Make sure when you are restoring that the USB cable is disconnected from your computer.

      • July 5, 2019
  • will7370
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-10-09

    Thomann has photos of the Odyssey with multi colored LEDs.  Is this something that is coming?  Or was that just a special?  Because I want to buy one with colored LEDs.  I'll wait if I have to. 

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    • will7370
      spaceagedevice

      It appears they are adding colored LEDs to new versions. Because they are easily replaceable, I will be attempting to add my own colored LEDs. I am choosing to go with the non-transparent colored 2x3x4 for personal aesthetics which resemble the original Arp Odyssey colors when not illuminated, although a lot of people prefer transparent LEDs that only light up the color it emits when turned up.. The only issue I know of with after market LEDs is that the voltage may vary by color so some may or may not work, or work well. I will keep you posted. I am hoping that Behringer will offer replacement LED kits for reasonable price. But, you can always buy after market 100pcs LEDs for under $5 with shipping. 

      • October 16, 2019
    • will7370
      ThorstenBösing

      i saw some guys at the internet who put some coloured caps on the white led. i have also white led on my odyssey. but i like them more than the coloured ones. 


       

      • November 17, 2019
  • HeikoKnuettel
    Regular Contributor - Level 1
    2019-11-14

    As soon as you click the update button the USB device is disconnected and the update progress hangs at 0%.

    When you turn the synth off and on again, and restart the Synth Tool, you get an error message saying that the synth is in use by another DAW - which isn't true. After restarting the computer you can repeat the procedure.

    Tested with Odyssey and VC340. My Pro 1 and K-2 are up-to-date, but I would bet that it is the same with them.

    And, for ficks sake...PLEASE get rid of the device autoselect. If you own more than one Behringer synth, you always have to turn off the others if you want to connect to a specific one, which is pretty annoying.

     

     

     

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    • HeikoKnuettel
      groovegsus

      I had same issue with my crave and model d.


      .I did not power off the crave , and restarted the syynth tool.


      After this i could update both device.

      • November 16, 2019
    • HeikoKnuettel
      HeikoKnuettel

      Thanks for your reply.


      In the meantime it looked like the attempts to update those two synths bricked them.


      The Odyssey disappeared from the device list in the device manager, turning off and on, using another USB cable, using another USB port didn't help, it simply wasn't recognized any more. The VC340 stopped making any sound, you could press any key you want. Was about to contact my retailer.


      I remembered the procedure to get the Neutron update running - just again and again install that special USB driver, reboot and replug and turning off and on.


      After an hour it finally worked. Despite just doing the same things over and over again.


      Behringer hardware is really great quality. The software, until the Deepmind, was too. But everything since then has been annoying as hell. They are really in need of some new developers.


       

      • November 16, 2019
    • HeikoKnuettel
      microbug

      This sounds familiar.


      Didnt I write at another place to check your USB installations with USB Deview, because of the device limit on Windows - and I assume you use that platform, since you said nothing else. There may be some driver interference as well.


      This is not a problem of the developers but of Microsoft still having that stupid USB device limit in there, that is filled up easily because even if you plug the same device to another port a new registry entry is made.

      • November 18, 2019
  • ananto
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-01-22

    after the latest crave1.1.1 update, my sequencer steps are still locked in auto-mode to 1/16, just like before.

    what am i doing wrong? when i just got my crave it worked!

    Thanks, Pete.

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    • ananto
      calli

      After FW update mine falled back to Internal I think or somthing.


      I needed to use Synthtools.exe to put it to Auto Mode (I have no idea how to do this on the device as the pages seemed to have changed again).


      Now with external (MIDI here) clock the divider works fine.

      • January 21, 2020
    • ananto
      tefo

      While looking for a updated pdf (or somewhere else) with info about the config pages I found this. The following is a copy all info from that post, in case it disappears there:


      https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/ds1n5r/behringer_crave_bugs_and_hotfixrequests_list_for/fc3jlcu/


      The current Crave firmware (1.0.9) changes the settings values. There is now a page 3 and a page 4, whereas the manual only mentions pages 1-2. I've experimented with it and I think I've figured out what all the pages do now. Here's what I've figured out:
      Behringer Crave Firmware 1.0.9


      Enter/Exit settings mode = Shift + Hold/Rest + 8
      Use < and > to change page.
      Use 1-8 to set value. Use shift + 1-8 for values 9-16.


      Page 1 = CV Trigger Rate
      1=1 PPS
      2=2 PPS
      3=24 PPQ
      4=48 PPQ
      5=CV


      Page 2 = Assign Value
      1=Accent
      2=Sequencer Clock
      3=Sequencer Clock/2
      4=Sequencer Clock/4
      5=Sequencer Step Ramp
      6=Sequencer Step Saw
      7=Sequencer Step Triangle
      8=Sequencer Step Random
      9=Sequencer Step 1 trigger Output
      10=MIDI Velocity
      11=MIDI Channel Pressure
      12=MIDI Pitch Bend
      13=MIDI CC1
      14=MIDI CC2
      15=MIDI CC4
      16=MIDI CC7


       Page 3 = Clock Source
      1=Internal
      2=MIDI DIN
      3=MIDI USB
      4=CV


      Page 4 = CV Trigger Polarity
      1=Fall
      2=Rise

      • February 8, 2020
    • ananto
    • ananto
      Darkside @calli: Sorry for accidentally messing with the document. The reason for that happening is a fact, that screen reader users are not often being thought about enough in those modern days of everything being online and "so easy to access and edit". As this is a nice collection of information and will probably be edited and added to in the future, so may-be there shall also be a link to directly downloadable or at least not directly editable version of the document, so sutch silly accidents won't happen - on my side at least. Keep up the good work and thanks!
      • May 13, 2020
    • ananto
      calli

      No Problem!


      Of course I did not think that far, because normally everyone can use the export function to get a Version of his favorite format.


      You can use this link which should be keept updated automagically:


      https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTdMOCUjQCkDjNkAvzcB9pkrWfglrD6tecTWabpj-nMW9KaKkWwqKGheeVWXNTQ57ZL5XA7SPjhht99/pub

      • May 13, 2020
  • jackduk
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-10

    After sitting on my desk for just a few weeks, I've noticed dust building up on my Deepmind 12D which I'm worried about as their are gaps in the sliders where dust is obviously going to gather. 

    Headed over to Decksavers as Facebook must have heard me mention it and then advertised it on my feed and their covers are tip top. Only thing is, they don't do any for Behringer! 

    Anyone know why? Or if any alternatives are out there that look just as good? 

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  • Superunknown
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-21

    Hi,

    I have an issue with Odyssey internal sequencer: when I press arpeggio in hold mode (double press) and play some notes in keyboard, it runs fine, but when I want to change notes during arpeggio is already running, the whole sequence stucks. Only reboot helps. Is this a known issue which is gonna be fixed soon by firmware upgrade or have I a faulty unit? Please advice.

    Thank you

    Lukas

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    • Superunknown
      tinureg

      I had a similar issue where I could not press / stop anything. Only a shutdown and restart helped. Hope they can fix it with a firmware update.


      Cheers


      Tinu

      • August 21, 2019
    • Superunknown
      Talos

      If they fix it with a firmware update how do you install it when the Synth Tool fails to connect?  

      • October 5, 2019
    • Superunknown
      SpaceScurvy

      I find that when the arpeggiator is on hold (or not) it will skip a beat if you're not exactly hitting the key with exact timing. It seems that it is unable to retrigger unless you're a robot or can play with perfect timing to the internal clock. It's frustrating if you want to do some classic 80s New Wave arpeggiated bass runs. My Juno 6 does its arpeggios with smoothness when retriggering a note and never skips a beat. Seems like this is a bug in the Odyssey.

      • December 22, 2019
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