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  • CraigGarnett
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-12-09
    • CraigGarnett
      GaryHiggins

      ....and X/M32-Edit 4.01


       


       

      • December 8, 2019
    • CraigGarnett
      GaryHiggins

      Well there seems to be a BIG bug or something with the new M32 fader speed! I loaded up 4.01 and went right to the config page/fast fader checkbox area to see if I could get my mixer fader speed back the way it was prior to updating to V4. I confirmed I wanted that 'fast fader' option and....it reboots and it did change BUT. It is WAY different than before. Now the faders "snap" in to place (kind of like it used to) but there is this very worrisome fader motor "after spin" sound (more than just sound) that occurs. (a digital mixer's version of grinding gears) I can tell you 100% this never existed before. I went right back to the (since 4.0) slower fader version and that sound (and whatever process this was) went away! Not ready for prime time I think!

      • December 8, 2019
    • CraigGarnett
      adam_nowak

      Hi @GaryHiggins


      The big bug you mentionned is not a bug, fast faders have always induced this "afterspin" sound.
      This is due to the faster speed of the faders, somehow overshooting the target position and fine tuning the end position for a short period of time. As this fine tuning also has the faster speed, it induces this little noise.


      The FW 3.07 that had Fast Faders has the exact same speed, and the exact same little afterspin sound.


       


      On the other hand, the sound of the fader sliding is way louder
      If this little sound worries you, I suggest you stick to the slower fader speed


       


      I hope this helped clarify the root of the sound


      Thanks for reaching out

      • December 9, 2019
    • CraigGarnett
      GaryHiggins

      @adam_nowak I NEVER had that sound before this firmware update, I have updated every firmware version along the way. Anyone who did and found it would have sent their mixer back for repair. I already went back to the slower speed (I can live with it no problem), I don't recall hearing about fader speed being an option in 3.07, I missed that.


       


      EDIT f/u....I made some short videos of the 3 states of fader speed, 3.07, 4.01 stock and 4.01 with "fast faders" There is a big difference between 3.07 and 4.01/fast fader with regard to that afterspin noise-not there at all in 3.07


       


      https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5ru6bwfno5fcg5k/AAA9ugBcV-Se8L7YtteR35uYa?dl=0

      • December 9, 2019
    • CraigGarnett
      adam_nowak

      Hi Gary
      Thanks for the videos, its a good help

      After a talk with the mastemind behind the x32 series, I got more insight to the problem.
      At some point in production time, the model of the faders got changed, and they had way different motor/friction characteristics. This created two possible faderboard firmwares for the M32(R) series, as some had the old faderboards, some had the newer ones. This had to be corrected and handled on the fw side. At the time, everyone had fast faders still. But :
      The old faders had troubles with the newer faderboard fw, causing dropouts, and the fader was just stopping midway;
      The new ones had also issues with the old faderboard fw, causing those noisy oscillation.

      The solution was to slow down all the faderboards to have less troubles.


       


      Now that everyone complained about the "forced" slow faders (it always kinda was, but a workaround existed), we decided to put back those old faderboard fw back. To him, this should have never been an option, at least not named like that (thus the "V1 faders" in fw 4.00).


       


      I agree that this should be more precise, I think Midas will do some official statement soon.
      I will do my best to try to minimize the issue.
      Meanwhile I guess you should stick to slow faders indeed...


      Hope this helped clarify the fadergate
      Best regards

      • December 11, 2019
  • FrancoFreda
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-11-26

    Hey All! I wanted to quickly ask if there was any idea when a firmware 4.0 compatible X32 iPad App would be released I don't want to update my X32 Rack until this is done since the only way I control it is through my iPad...

    Thanks in advance!

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    • FrancoFreda
      RexBeckett

      @FrancoFreda 


      I haven't seen any ETA for a V4.0 version of the standard iPad X32 app. The latest version of Mixing Station for iOS supports V4.0 though.

      • November 26, 2019
    • FrancoFreda
      adam_nowak

      Hi FrancoFreda,


      We are currently working on an update for the X32Edit Ipad app, but it will take quite some time ...
      The actual app still works with the 4.00 firmware, but lacks the added features like User Slot assignments
      You can still access those features using the x32 rack's screen
      Dont forget to backup all your data before updating, and take notes of your settings (ip adress, preferences) as those will be reset

      Best regards

      • November 27, 2019
    • FrancoFreda
      PetriOjanperä

      Still nothing? 

      • April 6, 2020
    • FrancoFreda
      DaveMorrison

      @PetriOjanperä 


      It depends on your definition of compatible. I've been using the old version with 4.0, 4.0.1, 4.0.2 since they were released. Mixing works great. Routing doesn't. When I'm playing and mixing (at the same time), it's my go to app. That being said, Mixing Station is completely compatible and always up-to-date. It's well worth a few dollars.

      • April 6, 2020
  • MikeEsonic
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-11-14

    Hi.

    Just updated to the new FW on M32. The faders now move much slower when changing layers.. Is that part of the new software update?

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    • MikeEsonic
      GaryHiggins

      @MikeEsonic It is part of the update. See second to last line below.


        new features:


        - point to point user routing, 4 input and 6 output banks (32 in / 48 out)


        - DP48/HUB4 remote configuration support


        - DP48 setup page with preset library


        - send pan optionally follows LR pan function


        - full backup export/restore function


        - new keyboard with channel name suggestions/history and keyboard layouts


        - X32Core/M32C: Export Show function


        - M32/M32R: V.1 Fader option (forces update of faderboards, requires reboot)


        - option for coloured RTA bars


       

      • November 14, 2019
    • MikeEsonic
      nicholi

      "M32/M32R: V.1 Fader option (forces update of faderboards, requires reboot)"


      This is not very clear.  So are we supported to enable this setting?  What exactly is its functuon whether enabled or disabaled?

      • November 14, 2019
    • MikeEsonic
      GaryHiggins

      @nicholi I think the word option here is meant more like 'feature'...not really a user option or choice, in other words updating the faders for the Midas boards is part of the update period, it comes with the package, no matter...BUT this is only my opinion. I had the same experience and saw no option to update or not update the faders.  

      • November 14, 2019
    • MikeEsonic
      nicholi

      Hi Gary,


      Hmm.  I am not at the board now but under System there is an option to enable or dsable the "feature".  The mixer will reboot.  It does not change change the fader speed howwever from what I can tell.  So I am trying to figure out if it should be enable or not and what is the benefit.  I guess the questions should be.  What is V.1 Fader? What versions of the boards does this affect M32 with black buttons or rubber?

      • November 14, 2019
    • MikeEsonic
      MikeEsonic

      @nicholi Yes I did the same thing. I enabled V.1 Fader option and I thought it would change the speed but it did not. Still trying to figure out what it does, and if you can change the back to original speed. Also, I’m thinking they changed the speed to save the motors so they last longer. 

      • November 15, 2019
  • jankoppe1
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-01-01

    Hello,

    I'm just back from the 36th chaos communication congress, where we had the Behringer Wing with firmware version 1.01 in use for the chaos-west stage.

    This was some type of "corporate event" from a technical perspective. The desk was running non-stop for about 10 days, with 3 different operators in shifts. We have been using a Midas DL32 as a stagebox and a KT DN-9650 as a Dante bridge with a few Dante devices at FOH, mainly for the broadcast setup.

    My overall first impression: You did an amazing job with this console. I'm just blown away. I will place my order next week for my own, private console.

    Some thoughts while using, which stood out and I would love if you can improve on those:

    1. The console did suddenly reboot/crash once at the event. This reboot lasted ~5 seconds and audio was interrupted in the meantime. After the reboot I lost about 30 seconds of recent changes to channels, etc. This is wonderful. Crashes should never happen, but this is really a good recovery time. Good job.
    2. There seems to be a bug with the mute group labeling. When I change the name of a mute group, this is not reflected in the display section above the encoder wheel until I press one of the mute buttons there. Not a big issue at all.
    3. If I work with a stereo source, I need to be able to flip the polarity on a single channel. We had a DJ set playing at night, where somewhere in the DJ setup there was a polarity flip. As we worked with a stereo source, we could not easily fix this without interrupting signal. I went ahead and duplicated the signal via dante to two new inputs, and ran the DJ set using two new mono sources and switched over while they did a buildup/drop. This was very stressful.
    4. The reset button for channelstrip sections is way too hidden. As far as I could see this works via the utility menu, which I only noticed on day 4 or so.
    5. Copying channels works fine, took me just a few seconds to understand the concept. I would love to be able to select multiple channels as a target.
    6. The distinction between 8 premium-fx/standard-fx and 8 standard-fx was a bit unclear in the fx overview. maybe that can be highlighted a bit more.
    7. Routing a regular FX bus is pretty confusing. As this was more of a corporate event it was not a deal-breaker and i did not spend much time on it, but I could not immediately see how I can do that.
      1. If I should just use one of the busses, the inability to send the output of one bus to another bus is a deal-breaker in that regard (i.e. send some reverb to the singers monitor).
      2. I saw a few FX returns in the routing menu, but could not figure out where they came from.
    8. The faders are slow. Very slow.
    9. I heavily missed a view of the fader level on the displays above a fader. I know that Yamaha desks do this. This is super helpful when re-setting a level.
    10. The band solo function is super helpful.
    11. The RTA overlay on stereo sources seem to display a mono sum. I would love to be able to switch to a "double" overlay, one for each channel with some offset. Not sure if this was possible, didn't look for it actively. This would have helped to debug the flipped polarity problem I mentioned earlier.
    12. The custom knob/button area is not powerful enough. I could not see how to place the delay time tap button there for example.

    This is just a list of quite negative things - please regard every feature not listed here as great/amazing. The desk is really wonderful and I love it. Of course we are still somewhat "beta-testing" this, as version 1.01 is pretty early, but I'm looking forward to some improvements to the areas I listed.

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    • jankoppe1
      jankoppe1

      Oh, one thing I forgot: Is it not possible to playback audio files from a USB stick? Please add this feature ASAP. We had to have a separate laptop playing break music via an analog signal, which was quite annoying.

      • December 31, 2019
    • jankoppe1
      earcondition

      Jan wrote:


      Routing a regular FX bus is pretty confusing. As this was more of a corporate event it was not a deal-breaker and i did not spend much time on it, but I could not immediately see how I can do that.



      1. If I should just use one of the busses, the inability to send the output of one bus to another bus is a deal-breaker in that regard (i.e. send some reverb to the singers monitor).

      2. I saw a few FX returns in the routing menu, but could not figure out where they came from.


      Hi Jan, for me it´s the same, it´s a bit confusing/not well thought out........


      Solution would be to think about the AUX Channels as FX returns, starting from there You have 2 options:


      1. You can use the FX Plugin in the bus, then route its  output to the input of an AUX channel


      2. You just use the bus output routed to the AUX channel and use its Plugin slot for the effect.


      The difference in the first case would be, that you could use the same FX for mixing to the PA by routing them also to the Master, while you could use the AUX input eq + faders as POST monitor sound + level controls, which sometimes makes handling the Artist much easier ........


       


      One question concerning the self-forced reboot:


      Did this occur while you worked in the FX racks? 


      Maybe this would be helpful for the guys, as i also experienced a reboot, which is not exactly funny during a show.


      Still i find the boot time amazing, i measured 13 secs from power on.


      This is even fastet than yamaha, an the console seems to sound better than some if its competitors that cost a tenfold sum..........

      • December 31, 2019
    • jankoppe1
      Paul_Vannatto


      @jankoppe1 wrote:


      Oh, one thing I forgot: Is it not possible to playback audio files from a USB stick? Please add this feature ASAP. We had to have a separate laptop playing break music via an analog signal, which was quite annoying.





      They are working on it. Before 1.01 firmware, the USB stick did not even have the preset/snapshot save/load feature. Please understand that the developers have been given a much needed break between Christmas and New Years. Robert, Patrick and I will be reporting everything we read here to the developers.

      • January 1, 2020
    • jankoppe1
      GaryHiggins

      @jankoppe1 @earcondition What kind of cable were you using for stagebox? Just curious if using shielded cat5/6 with ethercons or not.

      • January 1, 2020
    • jankoppe1
      earcondition

      @jankoppe1 @earcondition What kind of cable were you using for stagebox? Just curious if using shielded cat5/6 with ethercons or not.


       


      Hi Gary, i´m using a CAT6e 70 meters rugged cable with Neutrik Ethercons, but i was also able to use a shaggy CAT5 in-house installed 40 meters cable without problems, so i could leave fast after the show ...

      • January 1, 2020
  • danhennings
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-11-13

    I have an RMA for an M32. Have any of you found a shipping box for your console, and if so, where?

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  • TommyFro
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-27

    Hello all! New to Xair18, and new to MusicTribe. When I engage the phantom power on one channel, it engages it for all channels (using android app). Is that a global phantom power button, and if so, is it safe to have on with regular mics/wireless mics, etc? Or is there a setting somewhere to disengage global setting?

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    • TommyFro
      RexBeckett

      @TommyFro 


      Hi Thomas, welcome to the forum.


       


      This is not normal behavior. The 48V Phantom supply is switched individually for each channel. I am not aware of any option to cause global phantom switching.


       


      Are you actually connected to the XR18? There are some settinngs in certain apps that don't work correctly when offline. If the problem persists when connected to the mixer, I recommend that you try Mixing Station XAir (Android or iOS) which definitely doesn't show this problem.

      • June 27, 2019
  • NigelJaDee
    Contributor - Level 2
    2017-08-30
    All,

    I do live game streams and need a very crisp sound.

    I need to mix in 3 PCs and at least a 1 phone and 1 Ipad device.

    I have an XLR mic that will need to utilize a Roland VT-3 as well.

    I have read that AUX channels 17/18 are the stereo channels for connecting PCs. Is there a way to transform channels 15/16 into the same setup at 17/18 were it is one solo stereo channel? Sames with 13/14 and 11/12 and so on?

    The best way i have been able to do it is stereo link but when using compression its not uniform between the channels and treats them as two channels vs 1 channel. Same goes for AUTO mix which then causes a very weird Wobble effect because it will compress the left when it is softer than right to much vs treating them as 1 single channel like aux does for 17/18.

    I hope that i am clear.
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    • NigelJaDee
      FelixHomann Take a look at your Link Preferences. In the desktop applications yoou ou can find the Link Prefs in "Setup->Audio/Midi". Make sure to check all 4 check boxes. Then linking channels should work as expected.
      • August 30, 2017
    • NigelJaDee
      NigelJaDee

      Felix Homann;130496 wrote:

      Take a look at your Link Preferences. In the desktop applications yoou ou can find the Link Prefs in "Setup->Audio/Midi". Make sure to check all 4 check boxes. Then linking channels should work as expected.




      Awesome so i was doing the link correctly it appears.



      That said, the automix feature still treats the stereo channels solo from one another when auto compressing. Meaning it will compress the left channel if the right channel gets louder 15 compressed 16 open even in stereo link. Basically the stereo link is competing with itself instead of acting as one. Is this intended or a bug that will need fixed?
      • August 30, 2017
    • NigelJaDee
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Nigel,



      Welcome to the forum. I think you are misunderstanding the automix feature. It functions in a similar manner as the Dugan Automix devices that were used for panel discussions, etc. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automixer). I don't think it fits your application and it won't work with linked paired channels.
      • August 30, 2017
    • NigelJaDee
      NigelJaDee

      Paul Vannatto;130499 wrote:

      Hi Nigel,



      Welcome to the forum. I think you are misunderstanding the automix feature. It functions in a similar manner as the Dugan Automix devices that were used for panel discussions, etc. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automixer). I don't think it fits your application and it won't work with linked paired channels.




      Thank you for the clarification and the warm welcome.



      I guess i could do the same thing but using ducking and side chain the channels i need reduced to the mic.



      The reason the auto mix almost works perfectly for what I'm going for is i was able to allow my friends talking over voip (almost like a second mic) to talk and also duck the other channels as could I.



      Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way and need guidance as I'm new to live mixing and maybe ducking isn't the answer.



      For the example below how would i get this to work in a manner to make everything sound crisp and clear and still have everything live going out right at or close to 0.



      Channel 1 - Mic

      Channel 2 - VOIP

      Channel 3 - Guest Mic 1

      Channel 4 - Guest Mic 2



      Channel 15/16 - Computer 1 Stereo - Game Audio

      Channel 13/14 - Computer 2 Stereo - Misc Sounds and Audible alerts

      Channel 11/12 - Computer 3 Stereo - Dedicated Music
      • August 30, 2017
    • NigelJaDee
      Paul_Vannatto Hmm... a very good question Nigel. If it was me, I would apply the automixing to the mic channels (ch 1-4), but also send those to a mixbus. Then setup ducking of the stereo channels to be triggererd by that mixbus.
      • August 30, 2017
  • GaryHiggins
    Superhero - Level 1
    2019-12-10

    This is originally from another post but I started a new one because I am wondering if other M32 owners have a similar experience with firmware 4.01. Specific to me, this is an M32R. Anyone else tried this yet and had a similar experience?

     

    The back story is with version 4.0 the fader speed on M32's was reduced/smoothed out, it was (and apparantly still is) a permanent change. With this newer firmware 4.01 there is a "fast fader" checkbox that reboots the mixer and was intended to return the faders back to the 'fast' version.

     

    Well there seems to be a BIG bug or something with the new M32 fader speed! I loaded up 4.01 and went right to the config page/fast fader checkbox area to see if I could get my mixer fader speed back the way it was prior to updating to V4. I confirmed I wanted that 'fast fader' option and....it reboots....and it did change BUT It is WAY different than before. Now the faders "snap" in to place (kind of like it used to) but there is this very worrisome fader motor "after spin" sound (more than just sound) that occurs. (a digital mixer's version of grinding gears) I can tell you 100% this never existed before. I went right back to the (since 4.0) slower fader version and that sound (and whatever process this was) went away! Not ready for prime time I think!

    I am tempted to try it once more to see if maybe it was just a quirky firmware update and I may do so later in the day. 

    EDIT: I just tried the fast fader reboot again with the same results. I am told this is normal and expected however it's a normal I can't live with. I will again say that noise was never there for me before this. I can live with the slower version so there it will stay. 

     

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    • GaryHiggins
      KevinMaxwell

      I will be setting up a system this afternoon for an event this weekend and we will be using one of the M32s (still on V3.07 of the firmware) for this. I will try and pay attention to the fader behavior and report back later today. 

      • December 10, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      GaryHiggins

      @KevinMaxwell Well, I finally located firmware version 3.07 myself and when I loaded it up, my nice, snappy and essentially noise free faders returned!! Yippy! NOW the question is if I reload 4.01 from here if it will return them to this fast version when I do so. At least I know how to get them back to what was my normal now. 3.08 did not, 3.11 did not. And I now know I am not crazy (well sort of know) I wil also report back.


       


      EDIT: Loading 4.01 again puts the faders at the slower, smoother speed and the fast fader option makes them fast again but with losts of extraneous "after" noise NOT like version 3.07 at all. I made some short videos of all 3 and when I figure HOW to post them, I will.

      • December 10, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      KevinMaxwell

      I listened very carefully and on the M32 I was setting up (that has V3.07 on it) there was no weird noises like you were experiencing with the console running 4.01 and the faders set to fast. I agree with you that it sounds like there is a bug in the 4.01 fast fader firmware.

      • December 10, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      GaryHiggins

      @KevinMaxwell Thanks Kevin, my experience exactly. I can't seem to upload my little videos so I'm trying to post them via dropbox link instead. These show the differences quite clearly (though video is NOT my thing). Hope they will be up soon.

      • December 10, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      GaryHiggins

       


      @KevinMaxwell or anyone else interested: Video 3 is the "new" fast fader version Again the news for anyone wanting the faders back the way they used to be prior to firmware 4.0 or 4.01 Load version 3.7 (it's still availble if you choose to include the archived version in search on the Midas page) In my case it brought back the fader speed to what it was the day I bought it. BUT 4.01 puts them right back to slow or (noisy) fast. I am choosing to use the slower faders and stay on 4.01 due to its awsomeness in other areas and until such time as the old fast and noisefree version returns. And.....just like the recent US Congressional hearings, The gentleman recognizes himself as to the solution


       


      https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5ru6bwfno5fcg5k/AAA9ugBcV-Se8L7YtteR35uYa?dl=0


       


      EDIT2: I re-loaded firmware 3.7 to see what fader version it is that runs across the bottom of the screen-it appears to be fader version r/R .12 or r/R 1.2 


       


      EDIT: As an aside I noticed in this process of loading different firmware versions that if you use the console global setup page (bottom left) for updating firmware, you can have several firmware files at the root directory at once, and pick which one to load. I always made sure there was only 1 in the past as that was the specifried way to do it. FWIW

      • December 10, 2019
  • RexBeckett
    Superhero - Level 3
    2019-06-09

    People sometimes ask how they can control their XAir or X32 mixers using a footswitch. Usually they just want to switch FX on/off or perhaps load a Snapshot/Snippet. These simple actions can be achieved over Midi and enquirers are directed to threads that explain how to build suitable footswitches. That's fine for DIY electronics enthusiasts but sometimes people want an off-the-shelf solution. I decided to test some of the ready-made products.

    I only investigated products that were capable of sending Midi Control Change messages to toggle mutes or mute groups. This excluded many small Midi footswitches that can only send Program Change messages. I also excluded devices that did not have built-in DIN Midi outputs. Products designed for USB Midi could be used with USB/DIN Midi converters but that adds another box so it isn't an ideal solution.

     

    One option is the Midi Solutions Footswitch Controller. This is available in single, dual or eight-switch versions. All versions can be powered by the Midi output from an XAir or X32 mixer. The units can be programmed to send various Midi messages in response to inputs from simple momentary or latching footswitches. Programming is done with free software but does require the use of a USB/Midi interface or cable.

    These controllers support a wide range of Midi messages. The most useful, for use with XAir/X32 mixers, are Control Change messages for toggling mute groups. The controllers can also send two different System Exclusive messages when a footswitch is toggled. This can be used to send XOSC commands to load Snapshots or Snippets for more complex switching requirements.

    The single switch version works well for toggling one mute group - to disable FX sends while talking - or to switch between two Snapshots/Snippets. The larger models could be used for more complex switching.

     

    The MeloAudio MIDI Commander is a much more comprehensive footswitch. Although primarily designed to control guitar processors, it provides two custom layers that can be programmed to generate Control Change and Program Change Midi messages in response to the various switches. This is a very well-constructed device that can be powered by two disposable or rechargeable AAA batteries or with a USB power supply. Programming is performed using the footswitches and OLED display.

    The MIDI Commander can be used to control some XAIR/X32 functions but there are restrictions.
    Each custom layer uses the same Midi channel for all the switches and optional expression pedal. Using Midi channel 2, this allows mute groups to be operated with Control Change messages and it can load X32 Snippets with Program Change but the expression input is not usable. It would not be able to load XAir Snapshots on the same layer as mute groups.

    When a switch is set to generate Control Change messages with a toggle, the on action sends value 127 and off sends 0. The nearby LED indicates when the switch is on. This can be confusing when used with an X32 - when switching a channel/bus mute, the LED indicates that the channel/bus is muted but when switching a mute group, the LED indicates that the group is unmuted.

    When a switch is set to send a Program Change, the program number is determined by the bank switching so is not freely assignable. Sending a Program Change turns off the LEDs on Control Change switches so, although the actual mutes don't change, the footswitch no longer displays the current status.

    There is no provision for setting the starting state of the switches. After switch-on, it is necessary to click any Control Change switches one or twice to synchronize the mixer and footswitch.

    These restrictions reduce the functionality of the MIDI Commander as a controller for XAir/X32 mixers. It works well enough for controlling mutes and mute groups but the other functions are not really usable.

     

    The Source Audio Soleman is a highly configurable footswitch. It only has four switches but their actions are individually programmable with a wide range of options. Up to 64 named panel layouts can be programmed. On each panel, the LCD displays the panel name and the user-defined three-character name of each switch. Panels can be selected by pressing two of the switches simultaneously - or with an optional external footswitch. The Soleman includes an input for an expression pedal and can be calibrated to suit most pedals. The unit can be powered with the included 9V power supply or via the USB port. I power mine with a USB power-bank so I don't need to run a mains cable. Programming is done over USB using the free editor software.

    The actions of each of the four switches in a panel can be programmed with few restrictions. Each switch has a name, a default state, a latched/momentary/radio-button mode, an on action and an off action. The actions can be one of the commonly-used Midi messages on any channel and with any data values. Actions can also trigger macros - sequences of Midi messages. This is a very powerful feature that can be used to achieve complex switching. Macros can include System Exclusive messages so support XOSC commands. A simple example is to use macros so that a switch mutes one group and unmutes another - and the reverse when toggled. As the on and off actions are programmed individually, the meaning of the status LED can be set as required.

    The Midi channel and controller for the expression pedal can be programmed for each panel layout. It is possible to set minimum and maximum controller values so an expression pedal could be used, for example, to operate a channel/bus fader between, say, -30dB and 0dB for gentle level control.

    Setup macros can be defined for each panel layout. These will be run when the unit is turned on or a different panel is selected. These macros can be used to synchronize the mixer and footswitch so that the status LEDs reflect the actual mixer state.

    The Soleman includes support for Midi Tap Tempo but not, unfortunately, in a way that works with XAir/X32. On these mixers, setting tempo over Midi requires calculating the delay time, constructing an OSC command to set the appropriate time parameter for the required FX slot, encoding the command as an XOSC hex string and sending it as a System Exclusive Midi message. This is so specialized that it is unlikely to be supported by any general-purpose Midi footswitch.

    The Soleman is not a low-cost Midi footswitch but it has the flexibility to provide good control of XAir/X32 mixers over Midi in a small, well-constructed package. The only way to get better control would be to build one of the DIY designs that use OSC commands over a network connection.

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    • RexBeckett
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Rex @RexBeckett,


      Very good and comprehensive summary of commercial solutions to the age old question of midi footpedal control of the X-Air/M-Air and X32/M32 consoles. Thanks so much for doing all that research and taking the time to provide this summary. Wish we could sticky it like we could in the old forum.


       

      • June 9, 2019
    • RexBeckett
      Moamen

      thank your for sharing your experience
      If I want to use control change messages of the MIDI Solutions controller, X-live card has to be installed or it isn't necessary?
      (because I will replace it with X-Dante card)
      thanks

      • May 30, 2020
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett


      @Moamen wrote:


      thank your for sharing your experience
      If I want to use control change messages of the MIDI Solutions controller, X-live card has to be installed or it isn't necessary?
      (because I will replace it with X-Dante card)
      thanks





      @Moamen 


      No you would not need to change the option card. The Midi Solutions controller connects to the DIN Midi sockets on the console. It needs to connect to both as it gets power from the console's Midi Out.

      • May 30, 2020
    • RexBeckett
      Moamen

      thank you for your help 


      Actually I plan to purchase  MIDI solutions  F8 to control M32C but I want to ensure that I can mute/unmute by sending CC message from a toggle switch.
      Are there any considerations that I have to take care of it 

      I will assign
      -a switch to mute/unmute BUS 


      -a switch or more to mute/unmute Chanel


      -a switch or more to mute/unmute "mute group" or "DCA group'
      Is this device capable to do that?
      Thanks again

      • May 30, 2020
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett


      @Moamen wrote:


      thank you for your help 


      Actually I plan to purchase  MIDI solutions  F8 to control M32C but I want to ensure that I can mute/unmute by sending CC message from a toggle switch.
      Are there any considerations that I have to take care of it 

      I will assign
      -a switch to mute/unmute BUS 


      -a switch or more to mute/unmute Chanel


      -a switch or more to mute/unmute "mute group" or "DCA group'
      Is this device capable to do that?
      Thanks again





      @Moamen 


      Yes that should all be possible with the F8. All the mutes are simple Control Change messages. You can program the unit (with the free, downloadable tool) to be triggered by mometary or latching switches.

      • May 30, 2020
  • earcondition
    Regular Contributor - Level 1
    2019-12-27

    Hi All, i played around with my new Wing and found some inconsistencies/bugs in the firmware:

    1>  S.O.F. DOESNT WORK ON LEFT FADER BANK

    2>  SELF-FORCED COMPLTETE REBOOT AFTER 1 HOUR EDITING AND JUGGLING AROUND PLUGINS IN THE STANDARD RACK

    3> TALKBACK DIM SEEMS TO AFFECT ALSO TB MIC LOUDNESS IN BUSSES. NOT WELL THOUGHT OUT HERE ….. ?

    Could somebody verify, so i can turn it over to the software guys

    I also have a few (maybe stupid) questions:

    > Automation safes/scope: there ist no distinction between prefader (monitor) busses and other busses which you might well automate for shows while still doing in Ear mixes from the same console.

    > Gain structure: Subgroups can get very hot if more than 2 channels are feeding into them close to 0 DbFs, forcing me to take down faders to - 10 or even more. Does TRIM fix this gain staging problem without affecting signal integrity?

    > Multiband compression/dynamic eq as well as some "autotune" have been mentioned to be onboard as plugins, will this be soon available?

    Otherwise really great console for small clubs, tested so far with midas DL 32 I/O boxes, unbelievable sound quality at this price point, kudos to behringer !!!!

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    • earcondition
      OlaGlans

      Hi!


      I've been playing with my wing all day and no reboot at all. I used sof for fx on the first and second bank with no problems. 


      I havent tried talkback or subgroups yet. will do tomorrow. 


      //Ola

      • December 27, 2019
    • earcondition
      earcondition

      Hi Ola, thanks .... I meant the third fader bank (4 faders) on the left, not the right one, my fault ....

      • December 27, 2019
    • earcondition
      Roblof


      @earcondition wrote:


      Hi Ola, thanks .... I meant the third fader bank (4 faders) on the left, not the right one, my fault ....





      What do you mean with that it doesn't work? Please describe your issue more in detail and preferably a step by step instruction.


       


      You can definitely use the trim control for lowering the signal level. The resolution is 40-bit floating point.

      • December 28, 2019
    • earcondition
      WING_Fred Hi, i had a reboot on my wing after few hours, just one time, and it was when I was on plugins, but I don't remember if it is Prenium ou STD plugin! Have a nice day, Frederic
      • December 30, 2019
    • earcondition
      VincentAncre

      hey, small question. do you notice any difference of sound quality? on paper the sound quality of the wing is better than the x32 ... and even slightly than the m32. But if you re using a dl16/dl32 ... the whole path ( adda, preamps, thd, ... ) stays the same. I m kind of lost because the wing has no stageboxes with the same quality

      • January 18, 2020
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