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  • soundpressure
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-02-21

    How to use M32 Sine Wave funtion, I can do the system tuning with RTA. Just curious if same could be done with sine wave.

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    • soundpressure
      RexBeckett

      @soundpressure 


      Hello Ken, welcome to the community.


       


      You could use a succession of sine wave signals at 1/3rd octave frequency intervals to emulate a frequency sweep. In some ways this is better than using pink noise to evaluate system response but it would take a lot longer. It can be quite useful for checking how well crossover filters in active monitors and subs work together.

      • February 21, 2020
  • rwprigge777
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-06-10

    Hey guys, I'm going to be doing some troubleshooting to figure out what is going on but I figured maybe you guys would have some thoughts. I'm getting an occasional beep coming through the signal chain I have shown below. I do know that the beep goes away when I just have the DL 32 and the wing in the system without the x32 or wave server.

    4 wireless mics --> DL 32 (AES A) --> (AES A) Wing (AES B) --> (AES A) X32 (x-wsg card) --> Ethernet switcher --> Waves server --> Ethernet switcher --> (x-wsg card) X32 (AES A) --> (AES B) Wing (AES A) --> (AES A) DL 32 --> mains

     

    I'm pretty sure I can rule out anything to do with the mic and receivers, as well as the connection to the mains since the beeping does not exist on these mic channels when we were just using the Wing and DL 32. 

    I should also note that the beeping not only comes through the outputs I have routed on the DL32, but also through outputs 15 and 16 on the back of the x32.

     

    Any thoughts on what this could be?

     

     

     

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    • rwprigge777
      Paul_Vannatto


      @rwprigge777 wrote:


      Any thoughts on what this could be?





      Do you have the master clock of your eco-system set to Exp. Card on the X32 with the X-WSG card (Setup, Config, Synchronization = Exp. Card)? If not, that might be the reason for the bleeping.


       

      • June 10, 2020
  • ChrisLewis
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-09

    Hi. I recently purchased an X32 primarily for use with a live streaming project in my studio. I’m all good with that side if things, and I have it recording to Waves Tracks Live to multitrack record the bands that I’m streaming. 

     

    My question is about recording to Reaper (I have that set up too already). If I want to record tracks separately, how do I set things up so that I can monitor tracks already recorded whilst recording? I’m finding it tough to find much info about this! I thought it would just be a routing thing, but the nearest I found was someone saying something about setting the DAW so it plays back a stereo mix into the channels. Is that it? Can I have the DAW play a stereo mix back through say channels 31 and 32 whilst still in record mode?

    Sorry for my stupidity, digi desks are still very new to me!

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    • ChrisLewis
      Paul_Vannatto


      @ChrisLewis wrote:


      My question is about recording to Reaper (I have that set up too already). If I want to record tracks separately, how do I set things up so that I can monitor tracks already recorded whilst recording? I’m finding it tough to find much info about this! I thought it would just be a routing thing, but the nearest I found was someone saying something about setting the DAW so it plays back a stereo mix into the channels. Is that it? Can I have the DAW play a stereo mix back through say channels 31 and 32 whilst still in record mode?





      Hi Chris,


      Reaper, by default sends the main mix out the ASIO USB 1/2 pair. On the X32, the most efficient way to bring in only 2 USB inputs is to assign them to the Aux In Remap (Setup, home (or Inputs)). Then you can assign CRD1 and CRD2 to the desired channel strip sources (Aux 1 and Aux 2 defaults to the first 2 Aux In Remap sources).


       

      • July 9, 2019
  • MacMcIlvaine
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-10-02

    I was doing some testing and only had on mic. So I plugged it into in 1 and selected it as the source for fader 1, 2, and 3.

    The card is set for 8in/8out. Card out set to in 1-8.

    Eight channels show up in the recording software.

    But, only the first gets the mic.

    So, I slogged out two more mics and plugged them into in 2 and 3 and set the source for faders 2 and 3 accordingly.

    Now I get mic 1 on card out 1, mic 2 on card out 2, mic 3 on card out 3.

    So, what's wrong with the first setup?

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    • MacMcIlvaine
      DaveMorrison

      @MacMcIlvaine 


      When the source is Local 1-8 under Card Output tab the signal is tapped from the preamp. When the source is Out 1-8 then the Output 1-16 tab comes into play. Input/LC is the preamp, thus remap doesn't work. Anything else will tap from the channel strip. Try Pre EQ.

      • October 2, 2019
    • MacMcIlvaine
      MacMcIlvaine

      Ok, I see.


      I tried Out 1-8 and pre EQ...didn't change. (I tried the other taps as well.)


      In any case it's not something I need to do. It was just being lazy, not going and getting a couple more mics.


      (And, I was testing something unrelated, just needed 3 source channels. )


       


      Thanks,


      Mac

      • October 2, 2019
    • MacMcIlvaine
      DaveMorrison

      @MacMcIlvaine 


      Hmm. It's always good to learn something new. Let's ask Paul @Paul_Vannatto 

      • October 2, 2019
    • MacMcIlvaine
      Paul_Vannatto

      Dave's (@DaveMorrison) explanation was correct, but not complete. On the Out 1-16 screen, you need to assign the DirOut Ch 01 to the first output, DirOut Ch 02 to the second output, etc. and assign the tap to something other than IN/LC. Then it will work.


       

      • October 2, 2019
  • allesbl
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-02-10

    Hi,

    I don't know if this is the right place to report bugs, but I'll place my post here. Hopefully it will be read by someone responsible for MR18 maintenance and support.

    One month ago I bought MR18 mixer and updated the firmware to latest 1.17 version. Then during tests I found out that the unit can produce a very loud squeal on Main LR output and any Bus 1-6 output after powering it up. As I found later, it was already mentioned in this forum here:

    https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Recording/MR18-Power-On-Start-Up-Noise/td-p/185693

    and here:

    https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Recording/Loud-squeal-after-powering-up-MR18/td-p/180023

    The squeal sound from my MR18 sounds exactly the same as the one posted by Jay Haynes in the first thread.

    This was posted in 2017 and I wonder it is not fixed yet, because the mixer can become really dangerous when power is unexpectedly interrupted and then restored - not only blasting the PA loudspeakers at Main LR, but with in-ears connected to Bus 1-6 it may cause serious hearing damage!!!

    Sorry, but such behaviour of a professional, even Midas-branded product is simply unacceptable, regardless as much as the product is low-priced. Competitor products such as Mackie DL32R don't do this - on power up and after an initial silent period it simply starts to pass audio with last settings applied. No glitches,
    no pops.

    Please, don't state now "you should turn on the mixer first and speakers last". Although this is of course fully true, in a real life with real fallible people it cannot be always fulfilled under all circumstances. An unexpected short power dropout with MR18 is enough to cause big problems, e.g. someone pulls out by mistake the power cord from the socket and then puts it back again.

    Workaround with "Mute at power on" setup option is insufficient. It relies on a user action and therefore is not always guaranteed, despite the sentence in manual "Engage the 'Mute at Power On' to avoid pops during start up." Not to mention, there is no hint of how loud the MR18 "pops" can be. Under "pops" I understand loud but very short signal bursts which can be unpleasant, but mostly not destructive. However, the mixer produces maybe 0.5 sec long squeal signal with wide spectrum and full scale amplitude which totally overdrives anything connected to the outputs.
    Often it could be also required that the device resumes operation after power cycling with last settings applied and without any user intervention. In this case "Mute at power on" option cannot be used.

    Nevertheless, not only to complain, but to be a bit constructive too - with my MR18 I could observe following behaviour:

    - the squeal sound comes from any input channel (1-16, line 17-18) to any Bus 1-6 and/or Main LR output when channel bus sends and/or channel fader are turned up. Bus and main masters are set permanently to 0dB. Squeal to buses comes from all possible tap point selections.

    - the squeal sound comes only from input channels which have a physical input patched. If the channel is not patched (OFF in the routing table) or USB is selected as source, then the squeal sound doesn't appear. Also effect returns don't produce squeal sound, supposed effect sends on all inputs are all the way turned down.

    - the squeal sound doesn't come out of Phones output. There seems to be some automatic muting during power up - phones output is quiet until the squeal on main/bus outputs fades away and then starts to play normally.

    So this would definitely point to an issue with A/D converters / preamps during initialization.

    Such kind of issue can be for sure fixed by a firmware update. If the root cause cannot be solved easily, please apply to all outputs at least automatic muting immediately on boot up, as a first step of the initialization sequence, and automatic unmuting just only after the initialization has been completed and the squeal already faded away. Automatic unmute would take place conditionally depending on the "Mute at power on" setting: TRUE = leave outputs muted until user intervention (same as now), FALSE = unmute automatically after squeal is gone.
    Or maybe a different approach: temporarily reset the routing table at startup so that all channels are not patched and restore it only just after the A/D and preamps have settled properly.
    Adding such relatively simple functionality to next firmware update may well improve the user experience of this - so far working good - product.

    Many thanks in advance!

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    • allesbl
      GaryHiggins

      @allesbl In setup, audio/midi "mute output at power cycle" needs to have a check mark in the box.


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      • February 10, 2020
    • allesbl
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Ales @allesbl 


      Welcome to the forum. I can assure you that this "squeal" is not due to a bug in the firmware, or it would be happening to many of us users. As far as I remember, those 2 threads were the only reports of this issue, and we were unable to replicate the problem ourselves. If you notice that in both cases, the user(s) did not provide a scene file for us to check. I would suggest that you export your scene to a file (using M-Air-Edit for PC, Mac or linux) and attach it to your next post (Choose File below). Then we can have a look and see if we can determine the source of the squeal.


       

      • February 10, 2020
    • allesbl
      allesbl

      Hi Paul,


      thank you for welcome and your quick reaction. Enclosed you can find a .scn file with the setting which produces the squeal on my MR18. Basically, it is a factory default routing with my personal EQ, gate and compressor settings for a small band as a start point for sound check. Channel 14 has the fader and bus sends turned up which is the path for "squeal" to all outputs. If you load this scene into the mixer, wait some time to store it into inernal memory, switch the mixer off and then switch it on back again, you should get the "squeal" on all bus/main outputs during startup - providing that "mute at power on" is not set, I don't know if this is stored in the scene too. If you unpatch the channel 14 to OFF or set the source to USB, then the disturbing sound will not come at next startup. If you repeat this settings on any other input channel 1-16, 17-18, you should get the same result at next power up.


      My unit has serial number S190700210C8H. From my point of view this is definitely a bug. I discovered it randomly, because I'm used to test everything properly before real use, including such "abnormal operation" like power cycling with open loudspeakers and in-ears. Hopefully the attached file will help you to replicate the squeal sound at startup.


       

      ch14-patched-in14_squeal.scn
      • February 10, 2020
    • allesbl
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Ales @allesbl ,


      Thanks for the scene file. I was able to replicate the issue and that was definitely not a squeal. It was more like a synthesizer noise. To be honest, that is the very first time I've heard that come out of the MR18 (or XR18 or X32) in all the years (and many events) that I've done sound with these digital mixers. Granted the norm is to hook everything up, turn on the console, then go around and turn on all of the powered speakers (and do the opposite at the end of the event). But occasionally I do find a powered speaker already on (because someone forgot to turn it off at teardown of last event). 


       


      I do have to admit that you did indeed find a bug. But you have to understand that since no one has provided a scene file to replicate it, it was very difficult to investigate the "bug". Add to that, the  majority of issues we encounter here on the forum are user setting related. We did have a similar scenario with a user with a bizarre EQ settings (on the GEQ) on his X32. With his scene file we were able to replicate it and I sent it off to the developers - and they found the bug. 


       


      I did load one of my good known scenes over top of yours and tried it and got a similar noise. So I initialized the console, then loaded my good known scene and there was a minor pop (expected when you have the powered speaker on before turning on the console), but did not get your (weird) noise. So it is definitely a combination of settings in your scene that is producing this output.


       


      I will inform the developers of this and link your explanation and scene file for an investigation.


       

      • February 10, 2020
  • vita
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-08

    Midas, can you solve the pro2 offline editor compatibility issue with catalina O.S? Please!

    I need this app very mutch, to work at home.

    I am a Portuguese soud engeneer.

    Thank you.

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    • vita
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @vita 

      While the Pro2 & Pro1 Offline Editors are currently not compatible with macOS Catalina, the ProX OLE is. I would suggest using it. Because of our console showfile compatibilities, you can import/export show files to/from a Pro2 using the ProX Offline Editor -- just know anything past the Pro2's input count and FX slots won't populate in the desk if exceeded in the editor. 

      • April 10, 2020
    • vita
      vita

      Tested. The proX offline editor doesn't work either!

      • April 10, 2020
    • vita
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @vita 

      Updating my post:
      It seems the G3.4.6rel-9 OLE for ProX isn't compatible with macOS Catalina. Until we have an update that is compatible with macOS Catalina, users should stay or roll back to macOS Mojave. 

      • April 13, 2020
    • vita
      Derric_West

      It has almost been a year since Catalina was released.  There should be compatable version by now!!!  Please update soon.

      • May 12, 2020
    • vita
      cpc1981

      Any chance of an indication when this might be made available for Catalina? Obviously not a pressing matter while the world is broken, but a rough idea/indictaion that this is being worked on would be very helpful.


      cheers

      • May 13, 2020
  • KurtHutchison
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-11-19

    Just wanted to double check, my understanding is scene save files are compatible across the midas M32 line (including the X32).

    Hoping it's a dropt-in replacement (we only use AES-50 and very few of the back-panel connectors, nothing the M32R doesn't have).

    This would be a one-shot upgrade, so some minor loss could probably be accomodated.

    thanks.

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    • KurtHutchison
      DaveMorrison

      @KurtHutchison 


      Yes. The are the same file format and you can move scenes from one console to another. You can even use the same apps to control them both. 


      Edit: Be aware that the full size X32 has the LR outputs on XLR 15 and 16; whereas, the M32R is 7 & 8. If your sending the mains (LR) to a stage box over AES50, they will be the same.

      • November 19, 2019
  • joluk
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-01-11

    Good evening Tribers,

    I have a Behringer Wing at home and for rental. Im very impressed by the console. 

    I was wondering wether the Automix feature is implement at the moment. I cant find it in the software of my console and I cant find any information on the internet.
    The only hint I can find is on the Behringer product page.

    Does someone knows more about that specific feature?

    I look forward to your replies!
    Greetings,
    Lukas Jost

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    • joluk
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Lucas @joluk 


      Welcome to the forum. As far as I know the answer is no, it is not yet implemented. But I have asked the developers, just in case I missed it somewhere. 


       

      • January 11, 2020
    • joluk
      joluk

      Hey @Paul_Vannatto ,


      thank you in advance. 
       
      Can you ask the developer's an other question?
      I was looking forward to the teased Behringer Wing Copilot App. Is there a release quartal, month or something else planned?

      Greetings,
      Lukas

      • January 11, 2020
    • joluk
      Paul_Vannatto


      @joluk wrote:


      I was looking forward to the teased Behringer Wing Copilot App. Is there a release quartal, month or something else planned?





      Yes it is planned on being released. When? - not sure at this point. It is currently being beta tested (this I know for sure).

      • January 11, 2020
    • joluk
      joluk

      Thanks for your fast reply.

      That sounds good. An open beta test isnt planned, isnt it?

      • January 11, 2020
    • joluk
      KevinMaxwell


      @joluk wrote:


      Thanks for your fast reply.

      That sounds good. An open beta test isnt planned, isnt it?





      Aren't all companies software or firmware releases really just a public Beta test?

      • January 11, 2020
  • Bobdafrog
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-01

    Hi everybody, New to the forum here, but I've been using the X32 in a theatre setting for several years. 32 channels has been proving a challenging limit to fit all the wireless microphones and the band. We recently acquired an X32 Rack to use as a sidecar for the band sources, and I was wondering if there was any sort of implementation that would allow the assignable encoders on the X32 to remotely control the DCA faders on the X32 Rack. I know that using an iPad with X32-mix or a computer with X32-Edit is the simplest solution, but the computers and ipad are my personal devices and the consoles belong to the theatre. It would be ideal if there's a solution that I can leave them with in case I don't return.

    Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

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    • Bobdafrog
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Bob @Bobdafrog 


      Welcome to the forum. The easiest solution is to get the theatre to purchase an inexpensive android tablet, such as the Amazon FireHD 7, and get Mixing Station (free or pro). That way you can customize the layers (and layouts using the Pro version) to display only what you want it to display and control.


       


      Another software option is to use Patrick's X32Commander. He designed it to monitor one console and control another. The downside of this is that it requires a PC to run it.


       

      • July 1, 2019
    • Bobdafrog
      PatrickGMaillot Hello X32Commander is an app that enables you to control (for example) one X32 using another one. You can set the type of OSC messages that are to be considered, change the data and even the target message. i.e you could for example control a DCA on your Rack at twice the speed and in opposite direction to the control you select from your main X32 (can be a fader or an encoder of your choice). The magic is at https://sites.google.com/site/patrickmaillot/x32#TOC-X32Commander -Patrick
      • July 1, 2019
  • JohnShepherd
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-02-02

    I am putting 2 S16s in 2 racks with 2 Furman Voltage regulators onstage. This makes shorter xlr cable-speaker/power runs and all power under my regs. The mixbus part is tough, though. 

     

    I'm using 1-6 mixbus for traditional group mixing, 7 starts my monitor mixes, but 8 has to be for stage right speakers. I need 8 to also be mixbus 2... So is this is not workable because of mixbus organized in groups of 2? 

    S16 #2 outs are 9-12 are mon mix #3-6, and  out 16 is Stage left speakers. On the board 13-16 are my fx. I'm a little confused as to how to set this up to use my S16's apart from each other. Thanks!

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    • JohnShepherd
      JohnShepherd

      Here are pics showing outs and xlr tabs. Note that I seem to have doubled the use of outs 8 and 16 using mon mix/speaker out on 8 and fx4/speaker out on 16.


       


      Then, look at the pic showing I haven't assigned outs, and to see the xlr page. I look there and it seems I have assignments - but I suppose I am missing something20200202_110333_resized.jpg20200202_110325_resized.jpg20200202_110855_resized.jpg20200202_110834_resized.jpg20200202_110740_resized.jpg

      • February 2, 2020
    • JohnShepherd
      Paul_Vannatto


      @JohnShepherd wrote:


      I'm using 1-6 mixbus for traditional group mixing, 7 starts my monitor mixes, but 8 has to be for stage right speakers. I need 8 to also be mixbus 2... So is this is not workable because of mixbus organized in groups of 2? 





      You are mixing physical outputs with mixbuses - they are not the same. Also each mixbus can be separate, unless they are stereo linked. What I think you are referring to is the channel sends taps to the mixbuses (which are in pairs). 


       


      Showing pictures don't help much in diagnosing the issues. It would be far better to save your scene, then export it to a file (use the Utility button, 6th encoder, and save on a USB stick), and attach that scene file to your next post (Choose file below).


       


      In order to send outputs to the S16, you need to setup some banks of 8's (using the Out 1-16, Aux Out, Ultranet or the new User Out), then assign those banks of 8 to the respective AES50.


       

      • February 2, 2020
    • JohnShepherd
      JohnShepherd

      Thanks very much, sir! Here is said scene. I will likely need a bit of direction to accomplish this goal.

      StartupBusSends.scn
      • February 2, 2020
    • JohnShepherd
      JohnShepherd

      So, can you set up one of these and save/send back to me so I can see what you did? I am very much a visual learner. Thanks either way!

      • February 2, 2020
    • JohnShepherd
      Paul_Vannatto


      @JohnShepherd wrote:


      So, can you set up one of these and save/send back to me so I can see what you did? 





      Yes I can do that. But first I need to understand what you want to accomplish, particularly with those first 6 groups. I had a look at the scene file and none of the mixbuses are setup at all. I did notice that the DCA's are assigned to the various channels and mixbuses. So I think you are mixing up what a mixbus does and what a DCA does. They each have completed different functionality.


       


      For "groups", are you wanting to simply have a master level control (and mute) or are you wanting to do some parallel processing? If it is the former (master level control), you can do that with DCA's alone (no mixbus required). DCA's are like your TV remote in that it controls the overall audio (and mute) of channels assigned to it. But no audio actually goes through them.


      I have removed the DCA's from the mixbus 1-6 master faders, since you also have them assigned to the channel strips. I also noticed that you have assigned channel 12 (Guitar 2) to DCA 3 and 7. You may find that the 2 DCA's will fight with each other (like husband and wife with individual TV remote of the same TV during the Super Bowl).


       


      Looking at the Routing, Inputs screen, I see that the inputs are coming in from the AES50 A port. So that is where the outputs will be returned on. If you have the interconnectivity mapping as follows:


      X32 [A] <-> [A] S16 mode 1 [B] <-> [A] S16 mode 2


      and you want to send your monitor mixes 7-12 out the first 6 outputs of the second S16, then assign mixbus 7-12 to the Routing, Out 1-16 (screen) outputs 9-14.


      Attached is the updated scene file


       


       

      StartupBusSends2.scn
      • February 2, 2020
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