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  • Herm-JanRiemer
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-06-01

    Hi guys!

    So with churches closed we had to record our band for recorded services. I recorded 32 channel outs on an pc and mixed them afterward in Ableton with waves plugins. This really boosted the quallity of our sound and we want to try using these plugins live aswell.
    Now to my question. Is it possible to run my channels from the X32 into my DAW and than back into the X32 with the processed sounds?

    And how would i be doing this?

    Thanks in advance!!
    Herm-Jan

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    • Herm-JanRiemer
      RexBeckett

      @Herm-JanRiemer 


      Yes you could do this but latency may be a problem for live use.


       


      Are you recording the preamp outputs (by routing the Card (USB) outputs from local or AES50 sources)? If so you could route the Card (USB returns) to the required channels on Routing -> Inputs. This would insert the DAW between the preamps and the channel inputs.

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      Herm-JanRiemer

      We are recording from AES50. We've got an X32 compact for FOH use, an X32 rack for inear use and a S32 to connect all the instruments.


      So route AES50 channels into DAW like i have been doing with the multitrack recording. How would i route them back into the X32 so i can still use these faders to controll volume?


       

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      CraigFowler

      Presuming you're going S32>Rack(Mons)>Compact(FOH)>DAW


      Routing on Rack remains the same.  On the Compact, Routing>Inputs, and set Inputs1-32 to Card 1-32.  This will get you your DAW-processed signals back into the FOH console for further processing\summing.


       


      It's a bit more complicated (though still doable) to get these DAW-processed signals to the monitor console as well, but I wouldn't recommend it due to the latency the DAW plugins will add to the signals.  Although the latency added might be ok for FOH, it's probably not going to be ok for monitors, especially IEMs.  Also, you're probably going to want to ensure that you send all signals to the FOH console, even if you're only running plugins on a handful, and make the DAW run some sort of automatic delay compensation across everything to ensure the signals all remain coherent when they're summed.

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      DickStraathof

      I should recommend Waves Multirack instead of your DAW. I guess Multirack will have less latency then a DAW has plus Multirack takes care automatically of the latency ( if you run their latency calculation once on all your outgoing channels).
      I have tried S32 -> X32 -> Multirack -> X32 -> P16 to IEM once, but that doesn't work because of the latency what is created, it was unduable to play.....
      But you take your mons direct from the X32 rack, so latency will occur only to the FOH sound and than it might work... trial and error is the best way to find out...
      Good luck


      DickS

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      Herm-JanRiemer

      Thanks! We don't run P16's though. Just normal outputs into an headphone amp with wired signal to musicians. (cheap but good) Also i thought that inears never needed the processed sounds anyway. Or is that just my assumption? I have never ran them processed anyways and musicians have never cared. 

      • June 1, 2020
  • RikRayner
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-10

    Hi Guys,

    I'm looking to move up from my XR18 to either an X32 rack or a Midas M32C and the simple question is are the Behringer SD8/SD16 stageboxes compatible with the M32C or do I have to get the Midas DL stageboxes?

    Thanks in advance

    Rik

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    • RikRayner
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Rik @RikRayner,


      Yes the SD8 and SD16 will work with the M32C. But you don't gain much of the "Midas" touch that way. The M32C has the identical DSP engine as the X32 models. The difference is in the Midas preamps and outputs, which in the case of the M32C would be in the stagebox(s). You would be far better ahead to get an X32 Rack with an SD8 (or 2) or an SD16 IMO.


       

      • June 10, 2019
    • RikRayner
      RikRayner

      Hi Paul,


      thanks for the confirmation.  I'm attracted by the ultra-compact form factor of the M32C and the ability to expand the array of inputs available, using both the DL and SD series stageboxes.  I can definitely see the use of an SD8 for a stagefront stagebox for monitor wedge and L/R outputs plus vocal mic inputs.  Just a shame that there is no Midas equivalent of the SD8

      • June 10, 2019
    • RikRayner
      Paul_Vannatto


      @RikRayner wrote:


      I'm attracted by the ultra-compact form factor of the M32C and the ability to expand the array of inputs available, using both the DL and SD series stageboxes.  I can definitely see the use of an SD8 for a stagefront stagebox for monitor wedge and L/R outputs plus vocal mic inputs.  Just a shame that there is no Midas equivalent of the SD8





      Yes its also a shame that they discontinued the X32 Core (the Behringer equivalent of the M32C). But to me the real shame is that they didn't produce a Midas equivalent to the X32 Rack. The reason is that there is a significant difference with the Midas Pro preamps and outputs (over the Behringer Midas designed).


       


      Yes there is a space advantage of the 1U form factor, but at the expense of the flexibility of the inputs/outputs. As you probably know, I use a dual X32 Rack with and SD8 and SD18 setup. A couple of years ago (this Aug) I was setting up for a Chicago tribute band when we got hit with 4 downpours during setup/soundcheck. I had the SD16 at the back of the stage to handle the drums and backline and it got a bit wet (due to the horizontal driving rain). The results was that it was showing signals where there was nothing plugged in. Their sound engineer shared his concern and I quickly wheeled one of the Racks to the back of the stage, configured it as an S16, repatched - and we were back in business in about 10 minutes. The other Rack was used as the main mixer, situated at one end of the stage and took care of the MC wireless mics and and opening act (since we were using all 24 inputs of the stageboxes for the main act). If I had a choice between an M32C and X32 Rack, I'd still choose the Rack.


       

      • June 10, 2019
    • RikRayner
      RikRayner

      Hi Paul,


      I can see that by taking the X32 rack I have a backup option of hardwiring into the desk in the event of a stagebox failure.  We've never exceeded the 16 inputs on the XR18 so a pair of SD8s would handle everything connectivity-wise, plus give me the flexibity of stage positioning and additional inputs if the need arises, albeit not as conveniently connected.  Perhgaps that SD16 might be a good option ??

      • June 10, 2019
    • RikRayner
      Paul_Vannatto


      @RikRayner wrote:


      We've never exceeded the 16 inputs on the XR18 so a pair of SD8s would handle everything connectivity-wise, plus give me the flexibity of stage positioning and additional inputs if the need arises, albeit not as conveniently connected.  Perhgaps that SD16 might be a good option ??





      You've never exceeded because you didn't have a choice  Just wait...


       


      If I had only a choice between an SD16 or 2 SD8's, I'd choose the 2 SD8's. It gives you 8 more outputs, plus it gives more flexibility of positioning at stage front/back or left/right, reducing the cable spaghetti.

      • June 10, 2019
  • TomShields
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-10-15

    I've got a head-scratcher going on. 

    Basic setup info:

    Dual X32 racks; #2 serves as additional channel input and backup mixer.  P16M personal monitors, with a P-16D hub driving the P16Ms.  Laptop running Reaper as the DAW, connected to the X32 master unit via USB using the X-USB driver.  I use the X32 racks as FOH mixers when playing out, and as an audio interface in my studio when rehearsing and recording. My FOH mains are E-V self-powered units.

    It’s not a complicated use: a small band that plays out occasionally, and rehearses and records in my studio.

    What I'd like to accomplish:

    After a recording session, when playback is necessary - for just listening, re-tracking, or punching in - I would like the option of having playback available through:

    -  P16M system
    -  Near field monitors
    -  Mains

    ...preferably all within the same output routing setup.

    I have achieved 2 out of 3.

    I should clarify / reiterate that I am using X32 racks, and the accompanying X-Air software, not a full X32 console.

    In the DAW software, I have no individual channel hardware sends set except for being sent to the master L/R, which is mapped to hardware (USB) outputs CH 1-2.

    For playback through the P16 system, I used a tip on one of Behringer's videos and remapped AUX IN (on the INPUTS tab on the Routing page) on one of the two selectable radio buttons to CARD 1-2.  Mapped ULTRANET inputs 1-2 to DIRECT OUT AUX outputs 1-2.  (By default the AUX INs and OUTs are mapped 1:1, otherwise this would have driven me crazy.) This gives me a stereo master output send from the DAW:  DAW MASTER 1-2 >> hardware out 1-2 >> USB 1-2 >> AUX IN 1-2 >> AUX OUT 1-2 >> ULTRANET 1-2 >> P16M CH 1-2.  This works well.

    For playback to a pair of nearfield monitors, in the XLR OUTPUT section I mapped XLR OUTPUT 1-4 to receive input from CARD 1-8.  I'm feeding the nearfield monitors with XLR hardware outputs 1-2.  This also works well.

    Where I'm stuck:  I'd like to also route the same DAW MASTER 1-2 (output to USB 1-2) to the mains, which are receiving signal by default from hardware XLR OUT 7-8. I've tried a number of things to route that signal logically within the X32 to XLR 7-8 to no avail.  

    BTW through all this mapping the X32 analog inputs to the mains are working as normal (as in X32 analog input >> mains on all channels as if using for FOH).

    I hope I’ve explained myself adequately but… you never know!

    Thanks for any help.

    --Tom

     

     

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  • michaelrtm
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-11-26

    I'm looking to fill my classroom with TC Helicon Blenders for students to be able to practice along with a mix that I'm running to each unit. Keys, Bass, Electric Drum kit, Vocals etc - but I cannot find any information regarding the inputs and if I will need DIs.

    Considering I was looking at Roland HS-5's which are more complicated and triple the price, I'd love if I can just plug and play my basses, keys and microphones.

    Posted under Musicians tribe too. Sorry for the double post, just want to get a response!

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    • michaelrtm
      RexBeckett

      @michaelrtm 


      Hi Michael, welcome to the community.


       


      According to the Quick Start Guide , the inputs are stereo unbalanced with an impedance of 10K. They would not be suitable for direct connection of passive instrument pickups. You should be OK with adapter cables for Keys and E-Drums but you would need pre-amplification for passive instruments and microphones. I guess the reason the Roland HS-5 costs more is that the pre-amps are built in.

      • November 25, 2019
    • michaelrtm
      michaelrtm

      I'm a complete noob when it comes to the maths/science side of sound. Would an Active DI boost the signal enough? Would a Behringer Ultra-DI DI20 2-Channel DI-Box/Splitter do mics and basses etc? Still significantly cheaper than the HS-5 if I only need to get 1 of those per two signals.

      • November 25, 2019
    • michaelrtm
      RexBeckett


      @michaelrtm wrote:


      I'm a complete noob when it comes to the maths/science side of sound. Would an Active DI boost the signal enough? Would a Behringer Ultra-DI DI20 2-Channel DI-Box/Splitter do mics and basses etc? Still significantly cheaper than the HS-5 if I only need to get 1 of those per two signals.





      @michaelrtm 


      DI boxes will give you a high enough input impedance for passive pickups but they don't usually increase the signal level - they normally drop it to suit typical mic-level mixer inputs. You would be better using a guitar effects pedal that includes a buffer and boost function. Something like this should be OK. It has 1MOhm input impedance (good for most guitar pickups) and 1kOhm output impedance which would suit the Blender. You would also need a power supply for each pedal.


       


      Microphones don't need high input impedance but they do need more voltage gain. You can get separate mic preamps ( for example ) but it would probably be cheaper to buy small mixers like this for one mic or this one for two mics.


       


      I don't want to put you off the Blender but it wasn't designed for direct inputs from mics and passive pickups. It could be made to work with external preamps if you don't mind having several boxes at each station.

      • November 25, 2019
    • michaelrtm
      TCH-Aaron

      Hi @michaelrtm , thanks for considering the Blender to be a part of your classroom! The missing part of the puzzle here would be two products from our Go Series; the Go Guitar and Go Vocal. Both harness the power of a mobile device, iOS or Android, to process the signal and send it back to the Blender using a TRS 3.5mm aux cable.
      Here's a demo featuring the Go Guitar
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyQB2AmRKHk 

      • January 27, 2020
  • S-Audio
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-25

    I am trying to use my Yamaha ES6 to trigger ez drummer in my DAW. I have the keyboard midi in and out plugged into  the console but it is not passing midi to my software. Is this possible, or is the midi on the console only for program changes,fader movement etc?

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  • nelsonlugo0607
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-20

    I am using an x32 compact for FOH Mix. I'm looking to purchase the Producer for a out of house mix via live stream. I was told I could connect the Producer to the X32 compact. However, I was also told I would not be able to seperate the gain. Is that true? If so, what should I do? Thanks so much!    

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    • nelsonlugo0607
      DaveMorrison

      @nelsonlugo0607 


      You can connect them share the preamps between consoles (and send busses back and forth). The pre-amp can only be set to one value at a time. Either console can control it but only one at a time. The other console can use digital trim. I don't think it's a big deal. I set the gain at the begining of a show (leaving headrrom for "inspired" performances. If FOH changes the preamp levels in the middle of the show, the monitor mixes will likely be ruined.

      • May 20, 2020
  • gtcode
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-29
    Ok, after returning our DN9630 to get a used X32 Core, we finally have the components we need to cover all scenarios. Scenario 1: M32 AES50-A <-> DL32 AES50-A X32 Core AES50-A <-> DL32 AES50-B M32 sync is internal X32 Core sync is AES50-A Scenario 1, the AES50 syncs are both green on the DL32. Sync on the DL32 was green in this case. Audio seemed to work ok. Outputs should default in this case to the M32 since it's on AES50-A (that's my understanding?). Scenario 2: M32 is powered down, DL32 is still on X32 Core AES50-A <-> DL32 AES50-B In this case, we were unable to get the DL32 AES50-B to sync green. Question: Will Scenario 2 work? We want to leave the M32 powered off, and be able to use the X32 Core AES50-A to the DL32 AES50-B.
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    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:

      Question: Will Scenario 2 work? We want to leave the M32 powered off, and be able to use the X32 Core AES50-A to the DL32 AES50-B.



      No it will not work. The DL32 can only receive the wordclock from the AES50 A port. So if you turn off the M32 (with sync as internal - thus master clock), you will have to connect the X32 Core to the DL32 AES50 A port and turn on the sync (on X32 Core) to internal. Just remember that when you want scenario to switch it back (AES50 B and sync to AES50 A).


       


      If you don't want to hassle with changing sync and ports, a better way to set this up would be:


      M32 [B] <-> [A] X32 Core [B] <-> [A] DL32


      Make the X32 Core master clock (sync = Internal) and M32 as slave (sync = AES50 B)


      X32 Core Routing, AES50-a screen (DL32 inputs to M32)


      * Outputs 1-8 -> AES50 B1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> AES50 B9-16


      * Outputs 17-24 -> AES50 B17-24


      * Outputs 25-32 -> AES50 B25-32


      X32 Core Routing, AES50-b screen (M32 outputs to DL32 outputs)


      * Outputs 1-8 -> AES50 A1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> AES50 A9-16


       


      For scenario 2, if you want X32 Core outputs to go to the DL32, you will probably want to change the Routing, AES50-b screen to:


      * Outputs 1-8 -> Out 1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> Out 9-16


       

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Thanks Paul.  Would the proposed second setup introduce additional latency to the M32 since the audio is ostensibly now passing through the X32 Core?

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:


      Would the proposed second setup introduce additional latency to the M32 since the audio is ostensibly now passing through the X32 Core?





      If I remember correctly the AES50 latency is 0.9ms. So if you are traveling the speed of light, I guess that would be significant. 


       

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      I wonder exactly how they would add up.  Maybe it's 0.9ms per stage and side, so M32->X32Core->DL32->X32Core->M32 might introduce 4 * 0.9ms = 3.6ms round trip.

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto

      Well all I can say is that of all of the many users I've helped (over the 6+ years) with similar scenarios (console <> console <> stagebox <> stagebox), I've yet to hear from one that complained about latency issues.

      • July 29, 2019
  • marosell
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-23

    I'd like to try to side chain filter compression on my lead guitar based on the vocal channel. That way his sound doesn't have to be faded in and out when we gig live and the vocalist stays forefront when signing. The problem we're having is that the guitarist understandably doesn't like his own signal being cut out from his monitor mix when he's playing; it's distracting for one, but he also needs his volume set where he can hear what he's playing. Is there a way to make sure the side chain compression is only being filtered on the Main L/R and NOT out of the monitor mix?

    FYI, the monitor buses are being sent signal "Post-EQ" which I thought was pre-compression anyways, but I guess not pre-side-chain-compression?

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    • marosell
      RexBeckett

      @marosell 


      Hi Mike, welcome to the forum.


       


      If you use the Post EQ signal tap for the guitar channel send to the monitor bus, it will not be affected by the channel compressor. See the block diagram to understand how the signal taps are arranged in the channel processing path.


      XR18 Sends.PNG

      • August 23, 2019
    • marosell
      marosell

      Thanks Rex. The Post-EQ tap is being used, but for some reason my guitarist swears he can hear his signal drop in his monitor.

      • August 23, 2019
  • iurirolho
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-09-17

    am thinking of grabbing one to use it to combine all my io into a device as my computer has some issues CPU gets high usage, I will use it for day to day use/streaming and other things like playing my keyboard sometimes or listening to cassette tapes or maybe my phone sometimes, would this mixer be a good solution to those, i don't plan to use USB as I will use it for in and out using 3/4 for my headset audio and main for audio that goes to pc, need more details just ask, my idea is to have an xlr to stereo and using either the io port for phones or the io port on the rear 3/4, would this be a good mixer or should i get something else?

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    • iurirolho
      -mjk- Hi. I have a Q502USB. Now, I know you said you didn't want USB, but one has to get I/O with the PC. I've used mine since 2016 with OBS and SLOBS. What I like about it is the To Main Mix button, which puts the USB from the PC on the mix bus. What that means in terms of streaming is - all my sources in SL/OBS are set to Monitor only (Mute Output). I hear the sources in the headphones off the mixer, and whatever comes into the mixer goes back out to the PC and thus the only Output I have set to SL/OBS, is the 2 track output of the mixer on USB. Also (and this is important) whatever is on the PC audio bus comes into the mixer too - so you could play a video in a web browser and it will make it to the stream. Skype calls become routine. This makes things incredibly easy to manage, and there is no audible latency because everything goes through the mixer. There is one mic pre and it's pretty good, plus 2 stereo line inputs. If you need more inputs/pres, just get a bigger model - but I highly recommend the USB version for streaming.
      • September 18, 2019
    • iurirolho
      iurirolho

      I don't mind usb but what I think of doing is using the analog wires to send and receive audio as I read usb is bad on that model 

      • September 18, 2019
  • matthiasremes
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-02-10

    I'am realy enjoying wing console and i will be using it for concerts. But besides the obious missing multiband dynamics/dyneq are there any plans for making a portico 5045 type pse dynamics processor? I't would realy help to get the wing into some corprate events. The automix is realy nice but sometimes one needs a bit more oomph on headsets.

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