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  • brightonbob
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-14

    Hi All

    Just received my Wing. I have strtaed to set it up, the simple and obvious appear to be all working and have already purchased a PC copy of Mixing Station. I am now trying to understand what is possible and the best way to achieve what I need.

    I have limited experience/knowledge of digital (or analogue) mixers, Good PC, DAW and instrument knowledge.

    My Use Case is a home studio (no live work). I record, guitars (elec and acoustic), base, drums (electronic), keyboards and I use Virtual Instruments and effects on a variety of DAWs (Reaper, Bitwig, Studio One) on a Windows 10 PC. I have two external effects units that I want to use, at times, for all input devices. I want to set up Wing to control my DAWs (and vice versa), create standard configs for recording each of my input devices and controlling sound output to studio monitor speakers & headphones for mixing and headphone mixes for musicians when recording.

    I have found the useful Wing How To series from Behringer Knowledge Base.

    I have a number of questions about the Wing that I cant find answers to on this forum:

    1) Is there a plan/date to make available a comprehensive PDF manual?
    2) Is there a way to get access to Wing beta firmware and access to a Wing firmware roadmap?
    3) Do users share Snapshots/Configs for common Use Cases?
    4) Is there a Lynda or Groove3 or similar Video training course planned?
    5) Is there a sleep mode for the Wing - a configurable time after last use the Wing goes into sleep mode or turns off (or at dims or screen saves the touch screen)?
    6) Is there a chance that 96Khz will eventual be supported? (For me quality is more important than channels)
    7) When/how will DAW integration/support be provided?
    8) Are there any 3rd party tools that can help with DAW integration like X32ReaperAutoMate (but for Wing)?

    Sorry for the long message and many newbie questions...Maybe a sticky newbie FAQ would help.

    Thanks

    BB



     

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  • MarcusLinden
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-21

    Hi

    We use a Wing for FoH and use a matrix to feed our web-streaming with the FoH mix plus some additional crowd mics and media input.

    I'd like to script mute and level on a few channels to be able to control the Wing from the computer where I handle the cameras for the web-streaming ( e.g. media sound on when runnig the intro, fade in FoH after that ).

    Would it be possible to get a tech spec of the network protocol for remote control? Or if it is not public, can I register as a third-party developer somewhere to get access?

    BR
    /Marcus

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    • MarcusLinden
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Marcus @MarcusLinden ,


      Currently the only one outside the company that has this information is the Mixing Station developer (David). I have just requested a response as to when this protocol (and how to use it) will be made available to 3rd party developers other than David. I will let you know when I hear anything.


       

      • March 22, 2020
  • lysterj
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-02-03

    I'm not sure where to report it, so I'll try here - I've found a bug (pretty dramatically, during a show) in firmware 4.02.  

    Using the new block User Input patch in 4.02, and a channel safed, head amp gain is not retained during a scene recall.  All other channel parameters appear to correctly retain their values.  I've tried changing scenes with input patch set to Local, and AES50, and the channel safe behaves as expected (input gain stays put).  But with User Input patches, gain is not sticking.

    Using a DL32 head box on AES50a, if that matters.

    Hopefully it can be fixed in the next update.  

     

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  • sammcd
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-02

    I'm confused about rather or not I can use outputs 13-16 as mix buses and still have FX1-4? Can anyone explain this to me? I’m not seeing why I have to use up 4 physical outputs on FX that aren’t really being used… Thanks in advance…

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    • sammcd
      RexBeckett

      @sammcd 


      Hello Sam, welcome to the comminity.


       


      I assume you are asking about X32/M32 consoles? Mixbuses 13-16 are hardwired as the FX Send buses for FX1-FX4 but can, alternatively, be used as normal Mixbuses. So if you are not using one or more of FX1-FX4 slots as send/return effects, you can use the associated Mixbus for other purposes. You could still use FX1-FX4 slots as inserted effects.


       


      Note that Outputs 13-16 are not tied to Mixbuses 13-16 - or anything else for that matter. You can define which signal is routed through the Output 1-16 staging table on the Routing -> Out 1-16 tab. The physical XLR outputs are connected to the staged outputs on the Routing -> XLR tab - in blocks of four.

      • March 1, 2020
    • sammcd
      sammcd

      Thank you! That helps... If I use them as inserts, can they be inseted as reverb or delay or only things like eq and compression. 

      • March 1, 2020
    • sammcd
      PerHeldal

      FX1-4 can be used as inserts, but beware that a channel with FX-insert is wet-only. That may not work as expected with all effects.

      • March 2, 2020
    • sammcd
      Jon-PaulLeClair

      I'm really sory to hijack this thread but it's close to what I'm trying to accomplish/understand.


      I have an X32Rack + S16. Standard config. Outupts 1-8.


      However, I have a band coming up that may need 7 monitor sends.


      If I set the S16 to +8... I now have outputs 9-16. How does that affect the Bus13-16 used for FX inserts? Am I actually limited to 12 (or less) physical outputs?

      • March 9, 2020
    • sammcd
      RexBeckett


      @Jon-PaulLeClair wrote:


      I'm really sory to hijack this thread but it's close to what I'm trying to accomplish/understand.


      I have an X32Rack + S16. Standard config. Outupts 1-8.


      However, I have a band coming up that may need 7 monitor sends.


      If I set the S16 to +8... I now have outputs 9-16. How does that affect the Bus13-16 used for FX inserts? Am I actually limited to 12 (or less) physical outputs?





      @Jon-PaulLeClair 


      The X32 has 16 Mixbuses. Four of them can be used as FX Send buses for send/return effects. If you use all four send/return FX slots, you still have 12 Mixbuses for monitor mixes. If you only use two send/return FX slots you can have 14 Mixbuses for monitor mixes - which would allow 7 stereo mixes. In some cases, it is possible to use the 6 Matrix buses to combine some of the Mixbuses for additional monitor mixes.


       


      The connection between Mixbuses and physical outputs is set through the routing tables. With an X32 Rack and S16 stagebox, you can have 16 XLR outputs and 6 Aux outputs.


       


      If you need help with routing, save your scene and attach the .scn file to your post. See Choose File button below.

      • March 9, 2020
  • rickschwar
    Regular Contributor - Level 1
    2020-03-25

    Hi,

    I'm a brand Wing user and happy so far. I searched the forum to see if there was an answer to this issue, but could not find one. 

    I use a USB Memory Stick for preshow music playback. It works great, but I've noticed that many of my tracks are peaking the Wing meters even though the original source WAV files never peak -- even thought they come very close to. The peaking occurs before the channel strip. 

    When I gain reduce the 16-bit originals -3dB the peaking goes away, but I'd rather not do this every time. Could someone please look into this?

    -Rick 

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    • rickschwar
      GaryHiggins

      @rickschwar 


      So where is the usb player coming in to the Wing? Can't you use trim to reduce the input on whatever ch(s) it uses? Assuming these were recorded elsewhere?

      • March 25, 2020
    • rickschwar
      rickschwar

      Thanks for the prompt response Gary! Even when I reduce the gain on the input channel 9-10 dB, the meter still indicates clipping. As I said, the originals NEVER clip. 


      -Rick

      • March 25, 2020
    • rickschwar
      earcondition

      Hi @rickschwar  


      I suppose You are using some kind of conversion software to achieve the 16 Bit/48 Khz format the WING needs. It would be best for peace of mind to trim down your music files to -1 db during the conversion process, so there would be no clipping displayed in the channel receiving the usb playback.


      As far as i can say, i got clipping meter readouts with nearly every modern (i.e. since 2005 or so) pop song file. I think Paul Vannatto is right: there is no real clipping occuring, but there are intersample peaks (More than 3 samples at 0 DbFS in a row), that cause the Input meters to show clipping, which by the way is good in recognising peaks in live music, but as we all know since the "loudness wars", that´s the way many mastering engineers try to deliver "best" loudness...... You´ll get intersample clipping in every file from MP3 format anyway, due to technical reasons.


      That said, i even like to go "red" with a Midas DL32 stagebox, a little crunch on snares or bass doesn´t sound wrong to me, there are great examples for clipping/pumping in some of the most revered drum tracks, like led zep or red hot .........


       

      • March 25, 2020
  • Revoluteman
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-03-02

    Hi, I am really new to using the X32, having moved to a school that is using two. Really happy with its performance, but having a little problem understanding configuring the outputs of various Matrices to the destinations I want. Have been playing around with the patching, please see .scn attached. There are three sets of L/R speaker pairs I want to send to: Front of House (happy to use the Main LR), then a pair of Backstage speakers, and a pair of Balcony speakers. The mixing console is situated on the balcony, so the physical XLR outputs 13/14 are being used to source the amp to the balcony speakers, looking to use Matrix 3/4. Otherwise, there is a S16 stage box on the stage which carries the signals to the FOH (AES50-A Outputs 7/8) and backstage speakers (AES50-A Outputs 5/6, to be controlled from Matrix 1/2). Can anyone help me with the configuration settings? Many thanks.

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    • Revoluteman
      RexBeckett

      @Revoluteman 


      Hello Kelly, welcome to the community.


       


      There are several ways to achieve this. I'll show you the simplest one in the attached scene. First we stage the required outputs on Routing -> Out 1-16:


      Routing, Out 1-16Routing, Out 1-16


      Then we connect the local console XLR outputs to the staged ones:


      Routing, XLRRouting, XLR


      Finally we route the staged outputs through AES50-A to the stagebox outputs:


      Routing, AES50Routing, AES50


      As your requirement for other outputs grows, it may be necessary to use different routing techniques but this should work for now.


       


      BTW: If you are running console firmware V4.01, I recommend that you update it to V4.02. V4.00 and 4.01 had a few bugs!


       

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      • March 1, 2020
  • Drfrog666
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-23

    Files are intact but the timestamps are off at least for me. 

    I adjusted the time did a clean shut down and then recorded onto flash drive and sd cards 

    The first one I recorded at 18:25 today and when i looked at the timestamp on the file it was yesterday at 23:25! Nineteen hoursbehind.

    Firmware 1.06

    Is this a known issue?

     

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    • Drfrog666
      GaryHiggins

      @Drfrog666 


      Hello, I just made a few quick usb recordings and the timestamps are correct. I assume you also set date with the time? Curious if you looked at the time and date again after setting it and reboot, thinking maybe your changes didn't "take" or somehow get reverted when you rebooted.

      • April 23, 2020
    • Drfrog666
      Drfrog666

      Did you check the timestamp on a computer? I should have stressed that point. Timestamp appears fine on the wing itself.

      • April 24, 2020
  • PaulFranco
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-12-24

    Hi All.

    In the release notes for 4.01 it has listed as a new feature, "show control buttons assignable to User assigns (NEXT, PREV, UNDO, and GO)". I assume this means that you can use the show control buttons as extra assignable buttons. Am I wrong about this? I can't find where you would set these up.

    Also, does anyone know if there are midi commands you cam send to the console to start and stop SD recording?

    Paul.

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    • PaulFranco
      CraigFowler

      Not sure about the show control buttons (I can't find it in Edit,) but re the midi stuff, according to Patrick's documentation, Midi ch7, cc107, 127/0 to start/stop recording to SD card.

      • December 23, 2019
    • PaulFranco
      PaulFranco

      Hi Craig.


      Thanks for the info. Do you have a link to that documentation? Record start works but not stop.


      Paul.

      • December 23, 2019
    • PaulFranco
      RexBeckett


      @PaulFranco wrote:


      Hi Craig.


      Thanks for the info. Do you have a link to that documentation? Record start works but not stop.


      Paul.





      @PaulFranco 


      See page 135 of X32 OSC V4.0 by Patrick Maillot. You can also send 127 to CC104 on Midi channel 7 to stop recording.

      • December 23, 2019
    • PaulFranco
      PatrickGMaillot >>I assume this means that you can use the show control buttons as extra assignable buttons. >>Am I wrong about this? Unfortunately, yes, you are wrong. 4.01FW enables you to set User Assign buttons to act as show control buttons, and not to use show control buttons as additional User Assign buttons. The format to use with the /config/userctrl OSC command for this is “S9xx”, xx: Control Number “xx”: 00: PREV 01: NEXT 02: UNDO 03: GO SD transport control can be managed through the OSC command: /‐stat/urec/state enum {STOP, PPAUSE, PLAY, REC}, int with value [0..3] X‐Live! (optional) extension card state 0: STOP 1: PPAUSE 2: PLAY 3: REC -Patrick
      • December 26, 2019
  • marosell
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-23

    Long time lurker first time poster! I'm gigging with my band live tonight and it's the first time we're using the bass player's cabinet. The head on his cabinet is the Hartke 3500. Previous equipment did not have the ability to send/return signal to a mixing board, but now we do.

    My question: If I bring the signal from the head into the XR18 on a channel (say, channel 2) from the effects send, then return the signal via Aux 2 to the head's return (xlr to trs adapter?), can the cabinet's volume be controlled via the XR18? I assume this would be very similar to using Bus2/Aux2 as a personal monitor, and only playing Channel 2 from this "monitor".

    Further: If so, I see that I can route the IN/OUT such that Aux2 is soley in receipt of Channel 2 instead of Bus 2. If I do this, can I control the volume going to the bass cabinet with the Channel 2 fader on the Master Fader Panel and not have to open the bus panel? Is there any other way to route signal such that the bass cabinet can be controlled from the Master Fader Panel?

    Thanks!

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  • NigelCarter
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-03

    I have an X32 Producer in a rack with all of my Axient Digitial receivers and PSM transmitters. Can anyone help me set up routing them via AES50 to my WING so they can be mixed from the wing directly? Occasionally only the rack will be needed for smaller events and I'd like to still maintain the ability to keep the current routing saved and then when used with the wing as a FOH console, have the option to switch to routing it as if the X32 is functioning as a stage box. **Side note... I'd also like the amps for the speakers on stage to remain connected to the x32 with the wireless equipment. So I need help figuring out the routing so that when using the Wing FOH and the X32 in the rack everything is mixed at FOH and then sent back to the amps. 

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    • NigelCarter
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Nigel @NigelCarter 


      For using the X32 Producer in between the receivers/transmitters, you can assign these inputs (mirrored from the Routing, home screen) to the respective AES50 screen. For the outputs, it would depend on how you have it currently setup. I would suggest you export your scene to a file (either using the Utility button on the console or X32-Edit Export) and attach it to your next post (Choose File below). That way we can see what you currently have and better advise.


       


      For accessing your receivers and transmitters directly on the Wing, you are aware that the Wing only has 8 XLR inputs, not 16 (that the Producer has). That means that if you have more than 8 receivers, you will need a stagebox to provide the necessary inputs. You can convert your existing X32 scene to a Wing snapshot using the XM32 to Wing Converter


       

      • May 3, 2020
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