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  • gslavonia
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-16

    Hi everyone,

    would really appreciate advise on this one.

    i use the M32R as a recording Interface with ProTools 12.4. (Converters and Mic pres sound great btw)

    I'd like to try and integrate an analog mix bus into the signal chain.  I assume I'd use the Inserts on the M32R.  I'm having trouble figuring this out between the I settings in ProTools and how to properly route the M32R.  

    Has anyone done set this up?

    @ChaseMcKnight

    @RexBeckett

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    • gslavonia
      DaveMorrison

      @gslavonia 


      Do you want additional processing as you're recording or processing on the mixdown? Internal FX or outboard gear?

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      gslavonia

      Hi Dave


      my plan is too start with an analog chain specifically for mix down.  I'd send a stereo signal, process it and then print it in ProTools.  If there are additional inserts available, I may also configure to use hardware as inserts on individual channels within ProTools.  First I want to set up the analog chain for the mix bus.


      @DaveMorrison

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      gslavonia

      To answer your question, mixdown.


      For tracking, I am good.

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      DaveMorrison

      @gslavonia 


      To use an insert go to the Routing : Aux In tab and set the channels you want to use as inserts Ins I . Then you can insert it on a pair of channels, Busses, Matrixes, or the Main LR bus. It's possible to send channels to a mixbuss pair. Then to the LR bus. Then to a Matrix, then to USB and back to ProTools. It's complicated, but it can work. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble, but we can help you if you want to try it.

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      gslavonia

      @DaveMorrison


      It does sound complicated but I would like to integrate external hardware and the M32R is my interface, so absolutely, I'd appreciate the advise.


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       

      • April 16, 2020
  • DouglasCoulter
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-26

    This is an "all of a sudden" issue. No problems until now.
    USB recorder isn't creating any new files. the last one it created was named
    R_2000000_0000000 it still records but doesn't create a new file but rather replaces the last saved file with the new recording under the same name.

    Tried a couple of different USB sticks to no avail.
    Anyone?

    cheers

    duggy

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    • DouglasCoulter
      RexBeckett

      @DouglasCoulter 


      How are you formatting the USB drives? Some PC formatting tools do not create FAT32 file systems correctly. The SmartDisk FAT32 Format Utility does a good job.

      • June 25, 2019
    • DouglasCoulter
      KevinMaxwell

      Does the clock in your X32 rack have the right time? I have heard some people having a similar problem if the battery that keeps the clock alive dies and the time isn’t changing that it can cause this issue.

      • June 25, 2019
    • DouglasCoulter
      DouglasCoulter

      thanks for replying chaps!

      Kevin, I think you've got it spot on. The time isn't set. In fact it's sitting at the very time it's using to name the USB recordings.

      wallop!


      Thanks


      duggy

      • June 26, 2019
    • DouglasCoulter
      DavidBarrow

      I have replaced the CR2032 battery in my X32 Core. It still won't record to anything but the R_20000000-000000 file. It just keeps overwriting that file and won't create a new file. How is this supposed to work. I have tried calling CARE, but the line is always busy. This is very frustrating.

      Also, the forum would let me create a newpost, but only letme put in the title. There was no place to enter text, like in this reply.

      • October 4, 2019
  • DwayneAasberg
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-30

    Hello all.  Working with a new M32 in our church.

    We have a pretty good handle on scenes, snippets and library entries.

    But how about things like mixer settings under Setup and the Assign sections.  How can these settings be recorded in case somebody really mucks things up?

    Thx in advance.
    Dwayne A

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    • DwayneAasberg
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Dwayne @DwayneAasberg,


      The assign settings are included in the scenes (lines 23-30). For the global settings, I thought Patrick had made a tool to backup and restore these settings. But looking on his website, I don't see it. You can backup these settings using Live Toolbox, MX Terminal, or LT_Command. 


       


      To save the settings you would use he following tidbit commands (or create a tidbit file):


      Store 1


      Store 1 allconfig


      Recall 1 tid "M32 Global Settings.tid"


       


      To restore these settings, use the following tidbit command


      Launch tid "M32 Global Settings.tid"


       

      • June 30, 2019
    • DwayneAasberg
      DwayneAasberg

      Good morning Paul and happy Canada Day.


      Okay.  Assigns are included in scenes.  Good to know.


      Since I don't see a way to manipulate them with snippets on the board I assume the only way copy assigns from one scene to another is with an off-board script editor.  Correct?


      I will download the other tools you mention to capture and save the global settings.


      Thx again for your help.
      D

      • June 30, 2019
  • Freddy
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-11-23

    Hi All!

     

    I have the Midas MR18. I'm trying to control it via midi from a PC with Cubase DAW. I figured out how to use CC to mute channels, move faders etc....what I cannot find however is how to address different faders! Everything I do only affects CH 02....Please help!

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    • Freddy
      RexBeckett

      @Freddy 


      Hi Freddy, welcome to the community.


       


      The fader target is set by the controller number in the Midi CC message. This Midi Chart should help you see which controller numbers to use. 

      • November 23, 2019
    • Freddy
      Freddy

      Thank you kindly sir!


      That worked. I can get all the CC comands working but I can't get the snapshots to change. I switched that to program change, channel 1, tried a bunch of numbers from 1-10 and nothing is happening. I have two snapshots saved as a test...1 is all mute and 2 is all unmute.

      • November 23, 2019
  • jpasound
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-02-02

    New out of the box and got random metering  on the first 8 channels

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    • jpasound
      RexBeckett

      @jpasound 


      Hello Philip, welcome to the community.


       


      I suggest that you edit the subject line in your message to include the word Wing. This should attract the attention of other Wing owners who may be able to help you.

      • February 1, 2020
    • jpasound
      jpasound
      • February 1, 2020
    • jpasound
      jpasound

      Thanks pal. The rush of 'trying to sort it' asap sometimes forget key info. 


      Just massively  disappointed into my first foray of digital desk ownership , and just random metering.  No audio , just like Blackpool  on acid.

      • February 1, 2020
    • jpasound
      RexBeckett


      @jpasound wrote:


      Thanks pal. The rush of 'trying to sort it' asap sometimes forget key info. 


      Just massively  disappointed into my first foray of digital desk ownership , and just random metering.  No audio , just like Blackpool  on acid.





      @jpasound 


      The thread show the subject from the first post so go back and edit that one. Click on three dots at top left of the post and select Edit Message.


       


      I don't have a Wing but we can maybe check a few basic things. Are the inputs local to the console or from a stagebox? Does it happen without any inputs connected? Are the preamp gains set to something sensible - e.g. < 30dB? Is Phantom power enabled on the eight channels?


       


      If the answers are Local, Yes, Yes & No, it sounds like a real fault. Probably time to contact your supplier for a replacement.

      • February 1, 2020
    • jpasound
      jpasound

      Inputs are local.


      Occurs at all gains , more leds light up with increasing gain.


      Occurs whether mic lead is connected or not


      48v not on.


      Theres not actually  any audio, it seems to flick from left to right in unison across all 8 local pre amp channels. 


      It also doesnt start for approximately 10 minutes or so from switching it on for the first time.


      It seems a bit duff circuit board / clock errors to me .


      You can see why it sneaked thru QC as the problem doesnt reveal itself without soak test.


      Also the software mute stops it. My empirical deduction is a bad pre amp board , though it is a guess really .


      Upgraded to the latest firmware and still persists


       


       


       

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      • February 1, 2020
  • GeorgeDougherty
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-25

    Not sure what's up, but I can't see the edited version of this after my recent updates in the other thread.  Figured I'd get some learning done and share instead of doing real work while I'm stuck indoors.

    DBX 160 - Hard Knee VCA Type Compressor noted for use on drums.  Fixed slower attack and slower release.  Compression adjusts the ratio.  Threshold acts as typical threshold.  Output gain compensates for compression.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIri7OUyN0s
    BDX 160 Compressor/LimiterBDX 160 Compressor/Limiter

    DBX 560 VCA Overeasy Compressor, great general purpose on instruments.  Easy button enables soft knee.  Threshold is traditional style.  Compression ratio allows for negative ratios above infinity, reducing the output signal level below the threshold setting
    560a_manual_rev_a-pdf
    BDX 560 Easy CompressorBDX 560 Easy Compressor

    Drawmer DL241 - Clean, good all around, used to see them in all the touring racksDraw More D241Draw More D241

    Elysia Mpressor
    Eternal BlissEternal Bliss

    Neve 33609 - Noted for use on stereo busses and gluing things together
    Even Compressor/LimiterEven Compressor/Limiter

    Fairchild 670 - Vari-Mu Comp/Limiter Definitive Mastering Limiter, great on mixbuses.  This is a stereo linked version without the Mid/Side capability of the original.  Driving input gain warms up the sound running stronger signal into the emulated tubes.  Increasing Threshold control increases compression amount.  Time Constant control selects  between fixed attack/relese settings. 1: 200micro/300milli, 2: 200micro/800milli, 3: 400micro/2sec, 4: 800micro/5sec, 5: 200 micro/2sec single&10sec multipeak, 6: 400 micro/300milli &10sec multi peak & 25sec constant.  DC Bias adjusts ratio and knee.
    Fairkid Model 670Fairkid Model 670

    Teletronix LA-2A - Warm optical compressor great on vocals, bass, horns, strings.  Fixed slow attack, slow release, ratio.  Compress is 3:1, Limit is infinite:1.  Turn up Peak Reduction to increase amount of compression, essentially a reverse threshold.  Gain is post-compression makeup gain.  VU meter trails actual compression and you typically get more than you actually see.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnyk7V6SQlg
    Leveling Amplifier 2ALeveling Amplifier 2A

    Emperical Labs EL8 Distressor - Bass, snare, kick, things you need to smack down tight but can emulate multiple classic compressors.  This version ditches the audio distortion generation modes.  Ratio adjustment controls ratio, knee and threshold settings.  3:1 and lower are soft knee, 4:1 and 6:1 are soft knee below the threshold and move to hard knee above threshold.  10:1 is a special optical type compression.  10:1, Attack 10 Release 0 emulates an LA-2A.  Nuke is a brickwall limiter.  Input drives the signal into the threshold.  5-5-5-5 on the knobs is the classic starting point.
    distressor_manual.pdf
    No StressorNo Stressor

    Focusrite Red 3 Compressor - Clean VCA compressor, mix bus, vocals, adds a bit of high-mids back
    Red CompressorRed Compressor

    SSL 9000 Channel Comp - General purpose comp
    Soul 9000 Channel CompressorSoul 9000 Channel Compressor

    SSL 9000 G Bus Comp - Loved and revered as a general bus compressorSoul G Buss CompressorSoul G Buss Compressor

    SPL Transient Designer - Stupid simple transient shaper.  Wave DesignerWave Designer

    UREI/Universal Audio 1176 FET Compressor, Great on drums, vocals, bass, parallel compression.  Threshold is fixed, Input drives level up into the threshold, output gain compensates for compression and possible input increase.  Very fast attack and release.  Timing knobs are reversed from normal: 1 slowest through 7 fastest.
    76 Limiting Amplifier76 Limiting Amplifier

    ???? Behringer original to do what Waves Vocal Rider does?
    Auto Rider DynamicsAuto Rider Dynamics

    DBX 902 De-Esser, Solid performing de-esserBDX 902 De-EsserBDX 902 De-Esser

    SSL Console Emulated Preamp
    Soul Warmth PreampSoul Warmth Preamp

    Neve 84 EQ
    Even 84 EQEven 84 EQ

    Neve 88 EQ
    Even 88-Formant  EQEven 88-Formant EQ

    Focusrite ISA 110 EQ
    Fortissimo 110 EQFortissimo 110 EQ

    API 560 EQ
    PIA 560 EQPIA 560 EQ

    Pultec EQP-1A combined with the MEQ-5.  1A is low/high to right, MEQ-5 is 3-band mid to the left.  Classic trick is to use the boost and attenuation in parallel on a mixbus to bring out the low freq's in a controlled way.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwSlIo1IrDw
    Pulsar P1a/M5 EQPulsar P1a/M5 EQ

    SSL Channel EQ
    Soul Analog EQSoul Analog EQ

    Drawmer DL241 Expander/Gate Section
    Draw More 241 Expander/GateDraw More 241 Expander/Gate

    Neve 88RS Gate
    Even 88-GateEven 88-Gate

    SSL 9000 Channel Gate
    Soul 9000 Gate/ExpanderSoul 9000 Gate/Expander

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    • GeorgeDougherty
      GaryHiggins

      @GeorgeDougherty 


      Nice George!


       


      Hope I can find this again when I need it!

      • March 25, 2020
    • GeorgeDougherty
      curtbl

      This is great reference , thanks for taking the time! 

      • March 25, 2020
    • GeorgeDougherty
      DickStraathof

      Great reference George!
      Can you drop this in a .pdf file as well to keep on my laptop for future use please?

      Best regards DickS.

      • March 26, 2020
  • TMLSound
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-01

    I am setting up a Midas M-32 Live to be installed in a local church. I have 12 mix buses set up for individual monitor outs...I want to be able to solo each mix bus out and hear/monitor each individual mix bus out through the monitor L&R outputs on the back of the mixer through a set of near field monitors connected to these outputs and also have the option to listen with headphones... I have that all set up but the output from the Monitor L&R is coming out in MONO. ???? (The mono button is NOT engaged).. I have a stereo sound track coming in through aux inputs 1&2 . It is stereo coming out the default mix bus outs 15 & 16. But is mono coming out the Monitor outs....strange thing is when I hit solo on the linked stereo tracks coming then the output from the monitor outs goes to stereo....when I clear the solo on the two channels the monitor out goes back to mono....what am I doing wrong...?? thanks for any help...!! p.s. running firmware version 4.02

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    • TMLSound
      KevinMaxwell

      12 monitor mixes to 12 different Monitors or 6 stereo monitors mixes?

      • May 1, 2020
    • TMLSound
      1QSystems

      If I understand what you are doing, you are wanting 12 independent monitor sends.  Unless the busses are paired as 6 stereo mixes, the monitoring will be mono because the buss being selected is mono.  When you solo a stereo input the monitoring will be stereo as you have noted.  I hope this helps.

      • May 20, 2020
  • WITELITE
    Regular Contributor - Level 1
    2020-02-05

    Mute Groups - Should have the option to stay either solid red or flash. In the old version (X32) they stayed solid red.  I also notice that renaming a mute group deletes any previous settings.

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    • WITELITE
      Paul_Vannatto


      @WITELITE wrote:


      Mute Groups - Should have the option to stay either solid red or flash. In the old version (X32) they stayed solid red.  





      Totally agree with you. I was the one who insisted that they give this option when they introduced it on the X32 (blinking lights are distracting to me).


       



      I also notice that renaming a mute group deletes any previous settings.



      I've already reported this. Actually what happens is when you rename a mute, it does not go through the channel strips and rename the appropriate tags. 


       

      • February 5, 2020
    • WITELITE
      WITELITE

      Another one since I figure you guys have some pull


      on the WING SD Recorder, perhaps on option that switches to the alt input on playback. On the X32 it would automatically mute the channels and playback but now that there is more flexibility, I suspect many may define the alt channel as the playback channel for the channel recording. It would be nice if it switched to that upon playback and switched back when you stopped playing.(Unless there are better approached)


       


      Thanks


       

      • February 12, 2020
  • Jaycortez1
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-02-10

    Hello...just wondering if you have a eq mainboard for a  behringer pmp5000 or pmp6000? I'm in the Philadelphia pa area... And would like to see how much the PCB control board would cost. Doesn't matter if new or used... Seems that pmp5000 and pmp6000 are the same. Any help or leads would be appreciated. Thank you!

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  • sam_spoons
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-23

    I would like to use some of the aux inputs on my X32 Compact for a couple of synths and a guitar fx unit for recording and general 'mucking about' in the 'studio'. The problem I'm having is that I can't work out how to assign the aux to the channel upstream of the 'direct' to card output to the computer.

    I'm running fw V3.08, will v4.xx offer a solution or am I missing something?

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    • sam_spoons
      GaryHiggins

      @sam_spoons 


      Hi Sam, use can use auxin/tb for card out. If you do update to 4.02 though, there are new user menus that allow 1-1 routing, no groups of 8 limits anymore...if you so desire.

      • April 23, 2020
    • sam_spoons
      sam_spoons

      Thanks for the quick reply, I have Aux 1 (my Model D synth) as the source for CH15 which works fine for noodling but, I assume, the direct out records the CH15 physical input not the channels virtual source?


      I am tempted to update to 4.0x but am concerned as my older iPads are maxed out at X32Mix v3.0.x whic IIRC, cannot work with fw 4.x.x. I'm happy to experiment but only if I have fw 3.x.x* so I can revert back if they don't work. 


      * I can't find a legacy download on the support page, only the current version.


      Edit :- I have found fw v 3.0.9 so will update shortly as I can revert if necessary.

      • April 23, 2020
    • sam_spoons
      GaryHiggins

      @sam_spoons 


      You might try other tap points for direct out, even post fader, if you use in/lc I think it will get no source ch signal. Worth a try. I have all the old firmware files as do others, I can post 3.08 if you don't have it. Some things will need setting back up, like network. I would copy down things of that nature. Back up your scenes, shows etc. just in case. Can't speak to the iPad issues.

      • April 23, 2020
    • sam_spoons
      sam_spoons

      Thanks, I have found the v3.0.8 update so am safe.


      Will look into tapping the direct out elswhere in the signal path, I had guessed it would be something like that but had not figured it out.

      • April 23, 2020
    • sam_spoons
      sam_spoons

      I have fw v 4.0.2 installed and X32Mix v 3.0.x still works. I guess there will be some minor functions that are missing but I can live with that.


      What I haven't managed to do is get aux 1 and 2 physical inputs routed to the direct outputs. Ideally I'd like them to come up on card 15 and 16 as I like to keep my most used channel assignments* consitent to avoid confusion and my keyboards don't get used very often.

      • April 24, 2020
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