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  • tomacigale
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-01-14

    Hi,

    We just bought and tried an XR18 for a concert with our big band.

    We need to mixe more than 18 channels, so we plan to buy another XR18.

    We use 4 buses output for the stage and the main output for the audience.

    How can we use both XR18? Can we connect LR output from the first XR18 on AUX input (17-18) on the main XR18 (which sends outputs to power amps), and the first XR18 buses 1-4 on 4 inputs of the main XR18?

    Will it be possible to use two instances of the XAIR software (windows 10)?

    Thank you for your help!

    Thomas

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    • tomacigale
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Thomas @tomacigale 


      Welcome to the forum. You are going to run into a number of routing snafu's trying to get 2 XR18 to work the way you want. I would strongly suggest you return the XR18 and get an X32 Rack. It has 16 mic inputs and 6 Aux inputs (total of 22). If you need more, you can get an SD8 or SD16 stagebox to add more inputs and outputs. 


       

      • January 14, 2020
    • tomacigale
      KenMitchell

      @tomacigale 


       


      I second what @Paul_Vannatto said.  I'm speaking from experience and I can tell you it is not fun nor easy to do.  I did one theatrical show with 2 XR18s and the only reason I was able to get it to work was because I had all the talent mics on one mixer and the instrument mics and sound effects on the other.   It was absolutely nerve racking.   We replaced that setup with an X32 Rack and an SD16 the following season. 


       


      Ken

      • January 14, 2020
  • Pytkin
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-02-29

    Im using 75m drums for AES50 connection between X32 mounted in OBVAN and stageboxes .. For long distances I have dante card in X32 , and sending dante via ethernet trunk in our Cameras (they have 250m optical drums, cascadable) .. But sometimes i cannot use this camera trunk and need longer cables than 75m .. Sometimes I put one of our Behringer SD8 stagebox as a repeter .. But its not ideal, because I need to add a power to it or there is not good place for SD8 .. I know about Klark Teknik DN9610 AES repeater .. But it need power too .. I found now MIDAS HUB4 .. it looks interesting .. And MIdas DP48 have AES50 IN and THRU .. And its powered by POE .. Do U think that it can be used as AES50 repeater powered by POE ?

    Or .. Behringer ! Do U plan to make some nice small AES50 repetater with POE ? It will be great !

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    • Pytkin
      Pytkin

      Do U tested it ? Is it compatible with AES50 ?

      • February 28, 2020
    • Pytkin
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Roman @Pytkin 


      Unfortunately the device in the link that Gary @GaryHiggins provided won't work, because AES50 only uses layer 1 of the ethernet protocol. The Hub4 and DP48 could possibly work, since the Hub4 can power up to 4 DP48 from the 4 outputs, and it will also work as an AES50 distributor to up to 4 stageboxes (I tried it and it works). But if you connect as follows:


      X32 <-> Hub4 <-> DP48 <-> DP48 <-> DP48 <-> DP48


      only the first DP48 will be powered from the Hub4 (just like with the P16 system). 


      The other problem is that if you connect as follows:


      X32 <-> Hub4 <-> DP48 <-> S32


      you will have a DP48 placed in the middle of nowhere with buttons and knobs that someone could play with. Also it is unsure whether the repeating function of the DP48 can actually boost the AES50 signal sufficient enough for the stagebox at the other end. 


       


      There is another product that is being developed that was mentioned in one of the Wing videos, called a DL8 stagebox, which will be powered via POE type power and will work in conjunction with the Hub4. But it hasn't been released yet (even to beta testers). So we have very little details at this point.


       


      Another development is the new protocol found on the new Wing called StageConnect that will use standard mic cable to provide bidirectional 32in/32out audio plus power. Unfortunately there are currently no stageboxes or peripherals available to try it out at this point.


       

      • February 28, 2020
    • Pytkin
      Pytkin

      Hello Paul!


      I was read in desciption of HUB4 about MIDAS DL8 .. Looks interesting .. I think it can help us in more situations .. 


      I was searched here about StageConnect .. And found that there is still no stageboxes .. But cable lenghts is problem too .. I was read that it will be  work on 50-100m cable .. so it same problem like with AES50 ..  for longer distances I need repeater .. 

      • February 28, 2020
    • Pytkin
      Paul_Vannatto


      @Pytkin wrote:


      I was searched here about StageConnect .. And found that there is still no stageboxes .. But cable lenghts is problem too .. I was read that it will be  work on 50-100m cable .. so it same problem like with AES50 ..  for longer distances I need repeater .. 





      Yes but the repeater (or stagebox) will be powered by the cable and the wires in a mic cable is much larger diameter than the wires in ethernet, meaning that it should be able to handle more current. But you are correct that there is no stagebox or peripherals (even for beta testers) to try out.


       

      • February 28, 2020
  • hwa0619
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-04-09

    wing of Firmware 1.06,
    Why Channel delay moved to post fader?

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    • hwa0619
      Paul_Vannatto

      Why do you say it is post fader? Post fader to what?


       

      • April 9, 2020
    • hwa0619
      mfk1312
      Channel delay moved to post fader

      This is from the release notes to Version 1.06. I think the input delay is moved to avoid a delay on monitor mix busses, which are usually pre fader.

      • April 9, 2020
    • hwa0619
      Roblof

      I just want to confirm that the channel input delay was moved to post fader so that any inserted channel delay wouldn't affect monitor mixes or similar processing.


       


      This was highly requested by monitor engineers.

      • April 10, 2020
  • MitchellAA
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-29

    Im having AES50 sync problems with DL431 Between talking to the two consoles. but if i set the AES50 on the DL431 to sync to cable A it works fine 

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    • MitchellAA
      Paul_Vannatto


      @MitchellAA wrote:


      Im having AES50 sync problems with DL431 Between talking to the two consoles. but if i set the AES50 on the DL431 to sync to cable A it works fine 





      What consoles are you connecting to it, and are they both set for 96K?


      When attempting to sync to AES50 B, have you changed it in the DL431 Sync menu (page 17 in manual)?


       

      • August 29, 2019
  • Asullivan1
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-10-25

    I have a case number           01022909 I also run a Behringer X 32 So I know I have a problem with this unit I need repair

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    • Asullivan1
      KenMitchell

      Hi William, 


       


      Welcome to the community.  When did you open your ticket?   I know the auto-reply message says someone will contact you within one business day but that's been much longer lately.  Also, did you check your spam folder to see if a reply got stuck there? 


       


      Ken


       

      • October 25, 2019
    • Asullivan1
      Asullivan1

      It was started on the 19th which will be a week tomorrow. I have checked my spam and junk mail and have not received anything. I need help something started to get it repaired

      • October 25, 2019
  • mikedigital
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-01-05

    I have recently discovered that the guitars are not coming out of the speakers. This particularly strange becuase I'm getting a valid signal from both my bass and the guitar. We are going direct out from the heads into the XR-16. Keys are going direct into the board, as are mics and those work perfectly but for some reason, no guitar and bass. We've tried plugging them into the high gain channels and...I don't know..."regular" channels. We've tried using channels that do work like the keyboardists channe or a working microphone channel and neither work. Bass is going XLR to XLR and nothing. Guitar is going 1/4 to 1/4 and nothing. Just guitar amp to mixer and nothing.

    I just don't understand how X-Air can see there is a decent signal but yet won't output anything to the speakers. We've played acoustic direct in and it works perfectly. It seems it hates electric guitars.

    Phew. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    • mikedigital
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Michael @mikedigital 


      Welcome to the forum. Make sure that those channels' Main LR are enabled (on the Main screen).


       

      • January 5, 2020
    • mikedigital
      mikedigital

      I actually pulled working inputs out and replaced it with the guitars and still got nothing out. We're talking a direct swap from working keyboards to non-working guitar. Both were showing equal signals in the x air app

      • January 5, 2020
    • mikedigital
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Michael @mikedigital 


      I have recently encountered some guitars that work fine with an active DI (Behringer DI100) but will not work with a Radial passive DI (Pro DI), probably due to the type of pickup used in the guitar. But I have not encountered any instrument plugged into an X-Air console that didn't give something of an output, albeit low level. I would suggest you save your scene to a file (using X-Air Edit for PC, Mac, linux or Raspberry Pi - not iPad) and attach it to your next response (Choose file below). We can have a look and better advise.


       

      • January 5, 2020
  • InactiveUser
    Contributor - Level 2
    2012-08-26
    Hi,

    it would be nice to have corner in this forums (perhaps even some kind of database), where it is possible to share presets for FX, EQ, dynamics etc.

    thanks
    Blechi
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    • InactiveUser
      JasonNowka I agree!
      • August 28, 2012
    • InactiveUser
      InactiveUser I agree !!!
      • September 2, 2012
    • InactiveUser
      InactiveUser It would be cool !!!
      • November 26, 2012
    • InactiveUser
      KevinHunter

      blechi;436 wrote:

      Hi,



      it would be nice to have corner in this forums (perhaps even some kind of database), where it is possible to share presets for FX, EQ, dynamics etc.



      thanks

      Blechi




      If behringer doesn't want to do this then www.x32user.net is already set up for this purpose



      Kev
      • November 26, 2012
    • InactiveUser
      JürgenKirkovits

      starstruck;1473 wrote:

      If behringer doesn't want to do this then www.x32user.net is already set up for this purpose



      Kev




      It just seems that noone wants to upload anything, not even the site administrator. The only preset that is online just initializes the console, and I wouldn't waste a scene slot for that one when I just need to go into the Setup menu.
      • November 27, 2012
  • carloscotton
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-01-19

    Hello, my name is Carlo and this is my first post here.

    At the beginning of our live show the system did not responded properly (slow but was still running) and midi was responding improperly (I have a button that start the click but once pressed the click suddenly stopped... crazy) no sound from output. I solved the problem only powering off the mixer. Restarting my Mac running Mojave didn't solve the problem itself and the panic midi command too. I had to unplug the mixer.


     I use XR18 (latest firmware) as audio interface connected to Mac Book Pro running mainstage (system is not overloaded). So 3 USB midi controllers + MacBook are connected via Hub USB to the mixer. In-hear monitor, air mic and stage piano are also connected in the audio channels. Everything is racked along with the router to wifi connection.
    When at home everything is ok of course. And we tried many times all together in studio. No problem. During the latest live I had this problem and was really bad. I was lucky because the first time happened before starting the show. We had to wait to restart everything ... panic ... but we did it.
    But the last time happened at the beginning and the  band started without me. I couldn't have power off the mixer avoiding the big  "Pooook". There is not a reset button. So I had to wait for the mixer man to close the live mixer channels. Stop the show... with 500 people dancing ... oh guys ... My colleagues where really disappointed and now our band is broken. I use Mainstage since 2014 and changed (before xr18 bought in 2018) many audio interface without having this problem. XR18 seemed to me the perfect setup. No more mixer and sound card with many cables around. The Mixer is racked with all the other gear. I thought this was the best solution and I was really happy because it worked ... since now.

    I really appreciate if someone having the same issue could tell me what the hell of problem is this.
    People not using daw or mainstage please don't write me to  change my setup using hardware. I'm not interested. 

    Thanks.

    carlo

     

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    • carloscotton
      joegtech

      Carlo,  I don't know if my recent unpleasant experience is related to yours but I'll share it.  


      I was running a friend's XR-14 for a church service for a Christmas eve service.  The place was packed.  We had only been using the mixer for a few weeks. 


      I was in the house with a touch screen capable Windows 10 PC.  He had a new android tablet on stage to help with monitors, etc.  


      They were playing some Christmas carols before the service when we lost wireless connections to the mixer from both the PC and Android.  We were still using the internal access point, without any security : (   Security has since been enabled. 


      Just prior to the loss of control I had muted the main because the director was giving verbal instructions to the group. so after loss of control we had no sound going through the mixer!


      Also around the time of the loss of control I had attempted to connect my Android phone to the mixer.  I was going to walk the room with it.   However instead of starting the Behringer control app, I accidentally started up a third party control app on my phone.  It never connected to the mixer because I had not yet purchased the app.  So I doubt that could have been the problem. 


      Rebooting the XR and control devices did not resolve the problem! 


      I was able to regain control by connecting an ethernet crossover cable--that I retreived from my car-- from the PC to the XR.   Even then we still did not have access to the mixer via Wifi.   


      I don't know what he did to resolve the problem after the event. I think he did a factory reset and reloaded his scenes.  He confirmed that he had the latest firmware.   The X Air app on the Android could not have been very old.   The X Air app on my PC could have been some months older since I purchased my XR some months earlier. 


      My plan is to always have an old PC or Mac laptop and Ethernet crossover cable available so in a pinch I can control the XR via the cable.   I have my XR set to provide an IP network address to devices connected to the Ethernet port.  If/when I setup an external wireless access point/router,  I'll make sure both units are providing IP addresses with the same network address and not providing the same blocks of client/host addresses. 


      Joe

      • January 27, 2020
    • carloscotton
      carloscotton

      Hi Joe,


      Your problem is different. My XR18 is connected via ethernet to an external router providing IP adresses to hosts. With this configuration I didn't have any problem connecting via OSX or OS & Android using app Xair and Monitor.  The wireless connection of the XR  is not stable as the external router. Try this configuration. Hope this will help. @joegtech 


       

      • January 27, 2020
  • Mr_Bongo
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-02-15
    On the phone in a hurry. With firmware 1.03, my console restarts within 1 - 30 seconds, as soon as I start USB stick playback. It reverts settings to the last boot (means any changes are not remembere, even when saving them as a snapshot) :/ any quick solution?
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    • Mr_Bongo
      Paul_Vannatto

      Try a different USB stick, particularly USB 2.0 (not USB 3.0). The next firmware release should fix USB stick related issues and will be available soon.


       

      • February 14, 2020
    • Mr_Bongo
      Mr_Bongo

      We ran the show with background music from a phone, no issues after switching to that.

      The USB stick worked fine for days on V1.01, and was my X32 stick for years. Hope it´s gonna be fixed soon

      • February 15, 2020
    • Mr_Bongo
      phxaudiophile

      Just bought some USB 2.0 flash drives to see if that would help.  No luck.  So far I've tried around 10 different flash drives and only one of them works, but does not work well.  Assuming Behringer will be able to resolve this issue.

      • February 16, 2020
  • HeartLander
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-07

    I'm using an X32 with an S32 stagebox in a house of worship. 
    I'm recording the service to a DAW via USB: 32 channels to a PC running Sonar X2 Producer.
    The recording will be used to train volunteer operators how to mix. 

    Channel assignments are layed out logically for our purposes, but it requires breaking the 8-grouping of inputs.  To accomdate that, I'm using the User Outs so that I can send arbitrary signals (a mix of AES50, Local, and Aux In) to the Card slot (and on to the DAW via USB).  That's all stored in what I'll call the "Service Scene." 

    I have created a separate "Playback Scene" to be used during training. 
    This scene takes all 32 inputs from the Card in a 1:1 mapping (DAW Track 1 -> Console channel 1, 2->2, 3->3, etc. That way the trainess will see the channels in the same order we see during worship services. 

    The input routing assignments (Card 1-32) do not get loaded when I load the Playback Scene. 
    So I have to reenter them by hand. 
    Going the other way is no problem... when I load the Service Scene, the channels get reassigned to the mics, etc. as you'd expect. 

    None of the Scene Safe features are active. 
    Maybe this is the 'forgetting' Paul V. mentioned in another post. 
    This seems different to me, because the Cards are mapped in traditional groups of 8. 
    I hope someone has a workaround, or at least an explanation. 

    Thanks, 
    HeartLander

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • HeartLander
      DaveMorrison

      @HeartLander 


      While I have seen scene recalls have minor problems, I would say they usually recall correctly 99% of the time.


      It's irritating when the same parameter fails to recall 3 times in a row. Then things are fine for a while. This is the reason I'm switching to snippets.


      Can you post both scenes so we can see what happen on our end? 

      • March 7, 2020
    • HeartLander
      GaryHiggins

      @HeartLander 


      Do you happen to use x32-Edit to setup routing? I was wondering if the record/play settings (down by aux remap) had an impact on your saved scene. I thought I remembered some thread long ago that said the usb card routing followed the same record/play setting behavior as the X-Live card does. X-Live is all I have these days so I can't compare them. If that were the issue you would have to make sure the rec/play position setting was correct when you eventually save a scene. Essentially, it's the same scene only saved with different input routing correct? I just tried it in my offline x32 edit with scene save and load, it does recall the rec/play position on the scene load. I'm suggesting maybe when the routing for card play (or record) was set, somehow the scene eventually got saved with the other routing position active. Or that while in the record (or play) position the opposite routing was set and then the scene was saved  I have no idea if those settings are easy to see when looked from a console (or even if they have a counterpart) but I could see that compounding the issue if a console ends up being used to save and load scenes. Just a thought...

      • March 7, 2020
    • HeartLander
      RexBeckett


      @GaryHiggins wrote:


      @HeartLander 


      Do you happen to use x32-Edit to setup routing? I was wondering if the record/play settings (down by aux remap) had an impact on your saved scene. I thought I remembered some thread long ago that said the usb card routing followed the same record/play setting behavior as the X-Live card does. X-Live is all I have these days so I can't compare them. If that were the issue you would have to make sure the rec/play position setting was correct when you eventually save a scene. Essentially, it's the same scene only saved with different input routing correct? I just tried it in my offline x32 edit with scene save and load, it does recall the rec/play position on the scene load. I'm suggesting maybe when the routing for card play (or record) was set, somehow the scene eventually got saved with the other routing position active. Or that while in the record (or play) position the opposite routing was set and then the scene was saved  I have no idea if those settings are easy to see when looked from a console (or even if they have a counterpart) but I could see that compounding the issue if a console ends up being used to save and load scenes. Just a thought...





      @GaryHiggins @HeartLander 


      The Record/Play routing also works on the console, Gary. It is on the Routing -> Inputs screen, encoder 6.


       


      Record/Play routing works just the same for an X-USB card as it does for the USB portion of the X-Live. In both cases, there is not an automatic switching option. That is only possible with SD cards.

      • March 7, 2020
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