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  • stoeneboehn
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-27

    We have an x32 as our FOH with a s32 behind stage handling all the ins and outs except for 1 aux in for the mac audio next to the FOH console. We are going to be adding another x32 (not sure which form factor yet) to our setup for a broad cast mix. All of our video action is happening next to the FOH Console. My question being after I add the new (slave / broadcast) console and take my input signals from the FOH console thats recieving from the S32, can I use the FOH console to output my main feed to marry with the video next to the FOH console. The FOH Console currently sends the main L&R (House) to the S32 for output. Thanks in advance guys!

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    • stoeneboehn
      Paul_Vannatto


      @stoeneboehn wrote:


      can I use the FOH console to output my main feed to marry with the video next to the FOH console. 





      Yes you can. But I don't really see the need, since the whole purpose of adding another X32 is to provide independent mixing capability. 

      • April 27, 2020
    • stoeneboehn
      stoeneboehn

      Well I didn't know if the mix of 2nd console could be output there since the 2nd console will be located about 250ft away on opposite side of the church. I have 1 cat5e cable that makes it over there currently. So the mix of the broadcast console needs to make it back the 250ft to the computer next to the FOH console to marry with video. I feel I'm not describing my set up well. Thank you for your help @Paul_Vannatto 

      • April 27, 2020
    • stoeneboehn
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi @stoeneboehn 


      Make sure the cat5e cable is shielded and you have ethercons at each end and there is good continuity between the ethercon shells, in order to protect from ESD (electrostatic discharge).


       

      • April 27, 2020
    • stoeneboehn
      stoeneboehn

      @Paul_Vannatto I will thank you. Would you be available to help describe the routing layout to achieve my idea. Again I'm hoping to output mains of 2nd broadcast console on the FOH console outputs. Because the FOH outputs main on s32 behind stage.

      • April 27, 2020
    • stoeneboehn
      Paul_Vannatto

      @stoeneboehn 


      You want to send the Broadcast console main outputs to the FOH console? What is the reason for that? Normally Broadcast outputs would go via the built-in USB to a computer to be sent out the internet. 


       

      • April 27, 2020
  • GeorgeDougherty
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-09

    The large GUI values next to the virtual knobs are not updating properly when switching between instances patched on multiple channels.  The values at bottom of the screen and the knob rotation graphics update properly, but the GUI numbers stick on the last changed values.

    I'm finding that the plugin works most reliably on dialogue with a threshold set below average signal level and a target near or below the threshold value.  The middle fader will primarily reduce volume and the gain value can then makeup the average reduction.  Playing with it to try and bring up lower volume ranges frequently created excessively loud portions as the dialog went stronger over the threshold.

    I'm using high speed settings with .5s-1s hold values.

    These are fairly consistent with how I use Waves Vocal Rider to even out recorded sermon audio at my church.

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  • timtrace
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-07-25

    Greetings, is it possible to use a commercially-available, foot-operated remote device to tap tempo on the X32 internal effects?

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    • timtrace
      Paul_Vannatto


      @timtrace wrote:


      Greetings, is it possible to use a remote device to tap tempo on the X32 internal effects?





      Yes you can. Mixing Station Pro (for android and iPad) has tap tempo included with the mutegroup popup screen. If you want a physical remote tap device such as a foot pedal, you can do it using an arduino (see this thread).

      • July 25, 2019
    • timtrace
      timtrace

      Paul, thanks for telling me about Mixing Station. Wow, what a great app. I can fly around in there at a speed unattainable with the MT apps.

      • July 25, 2019
    • timtrace
      Paul_Vannatto


      @timtrace wrote:


      Paul, thanks for telling me about Mixing Station. Wow, what a great app. I can fly around in there at a speed unattainable with the MT apps.





      Glad to hear that you discovered our beloved Mixing Station. I've been using it since David first released it (Aug 2013) and have been one of his biggest fans (and salesman ). If you enable the tap tempo (in the settings, app), the tap tempo buttons will be included with the mutegroup buttons (icon at the top with little squares).


       

      • July 25, 2019
    • timtrace
      PatrickGMaillot The foot controlled/operated part will not do it for Mixing Station on a tablet What is the reason for a *Commercial* product? Warranty? Support? You want to resell them? or what's 'wrong' with a non-commercial product? -Patrick
      • July 26, 2019
    • timtrace
      timtrace

      Fair questions, Patrick.


       


      I am not in any way, shape, or form prepared to start up a business manufacturing, distributing, and retailing MIDI footboards. I'll leave that to Keith McMillen.


       


      A commercial product will function as designed, and it will have support and product warranties behind it. A home-made prototype will take time and resources to design, fabricate, assemble, test, and debug, and the builder will be responsible for all support. It seems reasonable to attempt the easier solution first.


       


      I've found an example, but it's more of a boutique item than a commercial product: https://youtu.be/6Q2eEqOFmAE


       


      This having been said, I've warmed to the idea of building my own footboard with tap-tempo control. I blame Paul and his willingness to share information.


       


      If you review my post history you'll see that I'm contemplating a swap from an old A&H iLive system to an X32 system, mostly because I've grown weary of the sub-par iLive remote control software on iOS. I'm only on the fence because iLive has 2x the busses of X32, and all 8 FX are assignable anywhere, but ... that iOS app is truly miserable.


       


      It is absolutely a requirement that I be able to tap tempo with a remote footswitch, hence this topic. On my iLive, I constructed a buss muting and and tap-tempo system using the A&H PL8 module and a handmade footswitch and it's been working perfectly for many years. I'm trying to get there with the X32.


       


      I'm completely new to Arduino, but I've got experience in related areas. This will be an adventure for sure.


       


      My shopping list:
      http://amzn.com/B01EWOE0UU - Uno R3
      http://amzn.com/B07F96FF8G - 9V power, if I don't have one around here
      http://amzn.com/B07GD2BWPY - jumpers, still looking for multipin headers
      http://amzn.com/B01LZKP12X - MIDI cable for output


       


      Do you guys have any examples of a sturdy footswitch case to house the Uno, five switches, LEDs, and a panel-mount MIDI jack? Something that can't be crushed when a 225# male stumbles onto it in the middle of a set?


       


      Paul's notes in other topics and the CC numbers in the sketch don't seem to match up with the MT docs I've found so far. https://kb.musictribe.com/musickb/view/article/behringer/en_US/X32-What-Are-The-MIDI-CC-Values I'll need to modify the sketch to mute/unmute busses rather than the FX returns, so that my reverb and delay tails continue after tapping mute. Can you guys point me in the right direction?


       


      Thanks for the conversation

      • July 27, 2019
  • marosell
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-23

    My bassist has a new bass cabinet with a Hartke 3500 head on it, so now I can output the sound to my XR18. I can also output from "Effect"-out on the head to the XR18 and return the signal back to the head before outputing from the cabinet. 

    I'd like to figure out a way, if possible, so that I can use an XR18 channel fader on the master fader panel to control the sound in the bass cabinet. I think I can bring the signal in on a channel and output it from an Aux with a xlr-to-trs plug back to the head, but then I'll have to control the volume using a fader on one of the busses. Is there a way to route the IN/OUT so that the master channel fader control the volume?

    Thanks!

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    • marosell
      RexBeckett

      @marosell 


      Hi Mike, you don't need to use a bus. You can drive an Aux output from a channel post fader. For example, the following would drive Aux6 from Channel 10 post-fader:


      XR18 Aux.PNGIf you don't want the bass channel in the main mix, remove it on its Main tab by clicking on the LR button:


      XR18 LR.PNG

      • August 22, 2019
  • KellyPeterson
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-10-29

    Is it possible to route efx to the p16? 

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    • KellyPeterson
      DaveMorrison

      @KellyPeterson 


      Yes. 


      If you want to send one of the consoles fx returns to the Ultranet bus, just assign it in the Ultranet:Routing menu. What mixer are you using?

      • October 29, 2019
    • KellyPeterson
      RexBeckett

      @KellyPeterson 


      You could route the FX Returns to spare Ultranet channels if you have some free. Otherwise, you could build mixes of channels and FX Returns on spare buses and route them to Ultranet.

      • October 29, 2019
  • Capntedy
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-02-17
    I have an Older Euro desk Behringer SX3242FX date code 0812 , I was wondering if anyone would have one that is parted out or able to part one out. I would like to find the main board that the effects module plugs into and a Power supply that is in good shape. Anyone who can help would great! Mine works but has weakness in signals getting through at times. to the sub outs. The power supply also has a busted or a loose power in connector that is usable but I would like to fix.
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  • DeclanSlater
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-02-24

    Love the WING, runnig Firmware 1.05 now, with Mixing Station Pro 1.03(10) - FANTASTIC!!

    - latest updates are really great!

    - please add the ability to copy/past between Aux and 1-40 channels!  I get discouraged often when I run into that limitation.  The x32 could, so I know you'll get there soon!  You developers are doing great!  Keep up the great work!  I hope you all get pay raises!

    - how about the "FAT channel" (Channel Strip Details) controls, and making those knobs "reassignable?"  - instead of 4 knobs to adjust 4 bands on a channel, then push a button and get 4 knobs to adjust gain, button - then 4 knobs to adjust bandwidth...  ohh, frustrating - how about knobs with assignments we can optionally choose instead?  That would be much more fitting of a true "Personal Mixing Console"  - I know, they're labeled... well, we own label makers... I would SO much rather use that entire section, instead of ignoring it ALL like I do now...  PLEASE?

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    • DeclanSlater
      GaryHiggins

      One more that may have been requested before. Adding a delay option to all buses and mains besides the Matrix ch's

      • February 24, 2020
    • DeclanSlater
      Paul_Vannatto


      @DeclanSlater wrote:


      - please add the ability to copy/past between Aux and 1-40 channels! 





      You can copy/paste from an Aux channel strip to any of the regular channel strips (1-40). I just did it. 


       

      • February 24, 2020
    • DeclanSlater
      DeclanSlater

      Hey Paul,  Thanks for the reply!


      Really? when I try, either way, all I get is this...


      WARNING


      CHANNEL TYPE MISMATCH


      SOURCE AND DESTINATION MUST BE OF THE SAME TYPE


      So, what's your trick?


      Here are my steps:


      select A1


      utility button


      select ch 40


      hit copy button on touchscreen... instant error message (above).


      hit ok, nothing happens.


      running 1.05

      • February 25, 2020
    • DeclanSlater
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Declan @DeclanSlater , my goof. Yes I was running with a beta firmware. So I loaded the public release and got the same thing as you. I then reloaded the beta, and tried it and got the same error. Come to find out, I forgot that the 4th layer was a mix of channels (37-40) and Aux (1-8) and copied the first channel strip (chan 37) to the last channel on the 3rd layer (chan 36). Let me talk to the developers. There may be a technical reason why this can't be done.


       


       

      • February 25, 2020
    • DeclanSlater
      DeclanSlater

      Thanks!  Whew! - Had to double check my sanity for a bit there..


      I'll bet there would be a need to display some sort of message, like what is on the X32, I think anyway... "If you do this, you'll loose some settings or something... are you sure?  Are you really sure??"

      • February 25, 2020
  • striple66
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-02-27

    Dear all,

    I am now somewhat familar with my new X32 Rack but I am missing physical XLR inputs. That's why I am considering buying a SD8 and a SD16 Digital Snake. The X32 Rack has only 16 physical XLR inputs and we need 20 Is it possible to connect a SD8 Digital Snake to AES50 A and a SD16 Digital Snake to AES50 B and have all 24 physical Digital Snake XLR inputs + the local 16 XLR inputs controlled by the X32 Rack? What I mean by "controlled" - mapped to the logical 40 inputs of the X32 Rack using the faders and channel strips on X-Touch and X32-Edi? Or am I missing here something?

    Thanks for you help

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    • striple66
      DaveMorrison

      @striple66 


      You can use any of the 32 XLR inputs for the mixer's 32 channels + 6 other XLRs mapped to the auxiliary channels for a total of 38 channels. Aux 7 & 8 are "hardwired" to the USB recorder. Since the AES50 bus has 48 inputs and outputs, you could alternatively daisy-chain the SD16 and SD8 together and accomplish the same thing from just one of the mixers AES50 ports. 

      • February 27, 2020
    • striple66
      striple66

      Hi Dave, thanks a lot for your answer. In other similar (but not identical) questions and answers from other guys here in this community, there were often the recommendation to daisy-chain the two SD8 / SD16 Digital Snake boxes instead of connecting one to AES50 A and the other stage box to AES50 B. What are the implications on connecting both stage boxes in a daisy-chain manner and separating them on the two different AES50 ports on my X32 R? Second question: on the routing page on my X32 R, channels 17-24 and 25-32 are in [square] brackets, meaning that they are not physically existent on the console. This - I do understand But in the manual they say this:


      "Local inputs 17-24 and 25-32 are listed with brackets, indicating that these are not physically avaiable on this device. Assigning these will obviously carry no signal, but they still can be used when preparing shows for a full X32 console".


      What does this mean?


      Thanks and all the best

      • February 27, 2020
    • striple66
      GaryHiggins

      Hi @striple66 The implications are that ALL your aes50 inputs will be seen as Aes50 A, instead of 16 as A and 8 as B. (Or 8 as A and !6 as B). If your first connected stage box was the SD16, the first 16 ch's (sd16) would be aes50a 1-16 and the next 8 (sd8) would be aes50a 17-24. Using 2 different ports One would be aes50A 1-16 and the other aes50B 1-8. The outputs of either would be set by the switch at the end of each.


       


      It means that you could setup a scene at home with routing to those ch's included and when you get to a mixer that can load them (and has those physical inputs) they will work as intended.

      • February 27, 2020
    • striple66
      striple66

      Hi Gary, thanks a lot. But does this have any technical reasons in terms of "if you do it this way, you won't hear a thing in your console", or "it is not possible to do the routing then" if I choose one these connections alternatives? @GaryHiggins @DaveMorrison 

      • February 28, 2020
    • striple66
      DaveMorrison

      @striple66 


      I believe they put the brackets there to remind us we're using a full sized core which is missing half it's inputs and outputs. We could route signal there if we just had some way to add more inputs and outputs?. I used to think they were confusing, but now think they are totally unnecessary (and unnecessarily confusung).

      • February 28, 2020
  • DeclanSlater
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-02-29

    A few things I'm wondering about on the WING... (Warning: long rant ahead!)

    I first must apologize for double posting, I mistakenly posted this first in the following link (portable live sound) - I created this post on my phone and posted it there by mistake.  I sure wish we were able to edit or delete the posts that we create.  Gary did respond to my post there.  I revised this post here to incorperate his thoughts.  Sorry for the double post. My bad.

    https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Live-Portable-Sound/WING-a-few-head-scratches/m-p/292852#M1641

     

    - TRIM: Why can we easily adjust the TRIM, right on the main page of any input channel, while we must push a button to be able to adjust an input gain? Why must we then have to hit the ROUTING button to gain access to phantom on the same channel?

    - Secret Mutes: Why is there a mute button located on the Preamp?  Why is that mute button seperate from the channel mute?  Why can we not control or monitor the status of that hidden mute button easily? I just triple checked this again, and yes - there is definitly a secret mute button there, that is NOT linked to the channel mute button in any way!  Switching between the MAIN and ALT channel input assignments has no effect on this "secret" mute button at all.  Under the CHANNEL INPUT section, in the MAIN input selection box, is one location of this "hidden" mute button.  Press the ROUTING button, and then pick the correct preamp that is currently assigned either MAIN or ALT for that same channel (hope you can remember it...) - there is the other location of that same hidden mute button again (this is how you can control it for the selected channel's ALT input source.

    - "Midas" Layer Flipper: On the left / right layer shift buttons in the middle section of the console, when the BUS MASTER button is lit, Why are we unable to jump straight from bus 1-8 to bus 9-16 - with only one single push of that middle section layer shift button(s)?  Gary had some neat ideas that I am currently trying to digest, using the USER1 and USER2 custom layers, found in the link at the top of the post.

    - 2-Knob TRIM: Why did the designers go with the separate GAIN and TRIM controls, rather than the method used on the X32/M32 with those preamp controls (GAIN and DIGITAL TRIM, hidden away, behind the scenes) that were integrated into one single TRIM knob?  Why is there not an option to also be able to control the preamp as if it was with a single knob?  Gary also had some comments on this (above link) that I am also currently digesting.  Might it perhaps be related to a Gain Sharing strategy for a FOH/Monitor console setup?

    - Dual Mono Inputs: Why are all the many stereo input sources and stereo output busses that are available on the console, unable to be controlled as dual-mono? Why are we not able to patch an insert into only one side and not the other, but only able to patch it across both sides?  Is it just not realistically possible to be able to adjust even some little simple EQ differences between Left / Right sides of a particular input or output?

    - "Why won't this knob do anything?": In the top master section, INPUTS button pressed, ch1 selected and the GAIN 48v button pressed - why can I flip the phantom on/off with the corresponding button in that section, but not adjust the GAIN with the knob right next to it? This also applies to the GATE, COMP and FILTER buttons and related knobs in that section?

    - Dissapearing Parameter Controls: Why are the current parameter values not constantly visible in the USER CUSTOM CONTROLS section (located by the jog wheel)? Why must the current values only be displayed temporarily, and only after a knob or button is touched or pushed in that section?  It seems that after mapping out all the controls in that section, that there is some "space management" issues going on is this section, and if the parameters were to be displayed permanently, some of the current device assignment info would need to be removed (lack of space).  I did find that whatever is assigned to CUSTOM CONTROLS - 1 thru 3 (hit the topmost VIEW button in that section), looking at the topmost part of the MASTER section, those parameters are permanently displayed there under buttons F1, F2, and F3.

    Thanks for listening...

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    • DeclanSlater
      DeclanSlater

      Hey Paul (And Gary),


       


      you said: On the home screen here, both gain and trim are there side-by-each. Select the one you want to adjust and use the encoder on the right side of the screen to adjust.


      - your right, I saw what I did - I had a preamp assigned to MAIN and a USB input assigned to ALT.  If you have Preamps assigned to MAIN and ALT - then on the home screen, you'll see GAIN and TRIM.  If it is setup the way I had it, and the ALT source is selected on the channel's home page - then you just see TRIM there.  If you go to the CHANNEL INPUT then you'll see both GAIN and TRIM.  Not sure yet, but the GAIN there in that case, might adjust the MAIN input source, and the TRIM might adjust the ALT source because it is currently selected?  Huh?  That can't be right...

      • February 29, 2020
    • DeclanSlater
      GaryHiggins

       


      @DeclanSlater 


      Some of what I had tried to relate in my post is talked about here at around 1:53 and esp 3:00. I think it will clear up some of my garble...and explain better. This fellow Mick (should be named Mick the Quick) runs right along quickly and concisely....I think it clears up your questions some...maybe Maybe worth a few watches. I watched about a month ago and it all makes much more sense to me now than it did then.

      • February 29, 2020
    • DeclanSlater
      DeclanSlater

      Hey Gary,


      Thanks for the clip, good info there (and fast too!)


      The two big takeaways I got were, as you and Paul said;


      - Despite the ALT input being selected, the GAIN and TRIM controls on the selected channel, will only control the MAIN input source.


      - When the INPUT SELECT for any channel is set to AUTO, then those channels can be globally flipped between MAIN and ALT by pressing the SETUP button, then flipping the SRC SWITCH button.  That sure makes Vitrual Soundchecks much easier to pull off, rather than creating a special snapshot to flip those around.

      • February 29, 2020
  • GeorgeDougherty
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-09

    Is the EQ on a mixbus truly a post-fader processing point?  I suppose it may not really make a difference as EQ is still pre post-fade insert point, but I'd expect it to be pre-fade and listed above the 4 main bus sends.  Just seemed odd to me 

    Would also love some flexibility in the Gate/Comp key points.  Since you can tap a channel from a mixbus, should be able to key from one as well.  I'd thought maybe the aux/mixbus could have a gate added to allow creating a proper ducking delay, but that would also require the ability to re-order the processing to put the gate after the post-fade insert point on an aux. 

    Might be easier for the effects selection to include a proper ducking delay.

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