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  • DouglasLohman
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-29

    Is there any way to limit the access of a particular tablet to parts of the x32 mixer. I would like only allow the tablet access to the main faders and indivual channel EQ. It's used in a church for mostly speaking with no aux sends or monitors. I've looked all over for this kind of thread, to no avail. Or, can someone point me to the thread if this has been asked/answered previously.

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    • DouglasLohman
      RexBeckett

      @DouglasLohman 


      Hi Douglas, the only way I can think of to do this is to run Mixing Station XM32 Pro on the tablet and create a custom layout with only the allowed controls. It would be hard to make it foolproof but it would guard against accidental changes to other parameters.

      • August 29, 2019
    • DouglasLohman
      sgagnon

      If you had a budget you could use a control processor and touch panel, such as an Extron or Crestron based system, to design your own and control certain aspects of the mixer. I'm not sure how broad the x32's API is but its certainly a possible option.

      • September 24, 2019
  • LarzHanson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-11-07

    This has probably been covered already, but I found out last night that the X Air app crashes now under iOS 13. I didn't realize it because I'm using Mixing Station Pro instead on my XR18, and it's stable, but a friend owns an XR18 too and suddenly had issues with his X Air app. I tried it on my iPad Pro and got similar crash results. Hopefully it can be resolved soon so all those using the X Air app (which is a good app) can continue without having to jump ship to Mixing Station Pro.

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  • Surhohi
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-09-04

    I’m new to Xair for theater use with wireless headset mics on the cast . 2 Questions:
    1. Is there “shows” in the PC version? I can't find it.
    2. How do you set up your scenes or snapshots so each night of the performance you can tweak levels, eq, etc for the particular wireless mic placements for that night, but have those settings carry to all the scenes. I guess I want to limit what is saved to mute settings, but use nightly settings for levels, eq, etc. XR-16 is my unit.

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    • Surhohi
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Smitty @Surhohi 


      Welcome to the forum.




      @Surhohi wrote:


      1. Is there “shows” in the PC version? I can't find it.


      The X-Air does not have shows, like the X32 does. The iPad app has a show feature which in reality is just a folder.



      2. How do you set up your scenes or snapshots so each night of the performance you can tweak levels, eq, etc for the particular wireless mic placements for that night, but have those settings carry to all the scenes. I guess I want to limit what is saved to mute settings, but use nightly settings for levels, eq, etc. XR-16 is my unit.


      What you are needing are snippets. Unfortunately that is only available with the X32. There are workarounds, though.


      1. You can load a "modified" scene file that has only the OSC commands (eg mutes) included (all other commands removed). Scene Parser can help you create these modified scene files.


      2. You can use 3rd party apps, such as Live Toolbox with its tidbits (snippets on steroids). 





       

      • September 3, 2019
  • Douglas_Marsh
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-02-21

    As of 2020-Feb-21, I was interested in more readable documentation on the Wing. Perhaps I am the only one, but I tried to download the Quick Start Guide (English) here:

    https://www.behringer.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/Digital/WING/p/P0BV2/Downloads

    And it directs me to a manual for a Tannoy VPX speaker ( www.tannoymarketing.com/webservices/dh.ashx?t=dl&v=5615 )

    I don't read Chinesse or Japanesse either but those links seem to point to a PDF of the entire Tannoy product catalog.

    If there a Wiki instead? I know there is some Facebook group which I prefer to avoid.

    --Doug

     

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  • DanielBecker
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-07

    I am trying to understand the difference between the FX 1-4 stereo return faders and the FX 1-4 faders as seen in the Aux/FX tab of X32 Edit 3.2. 

     

    I see that when in the Master bus mode, they are all up to unity and have mutes.  Click on one of the bus' and the FX 1-4 stereo are all down and have On/Off buttons, but the FX 1-4 are at Unity.  Click on an FX bus and it's the same.

     

    I get the Sends for a channel sending to the FX unit.  Thank's for the help.

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    • DanielBecker
      Paul_Vannatto


      @DanielBecker wrote:


      I am trying to understand the difference between the FX 1-4 stereo return faders and the FX 1-4 faders as seen in the Aux/FX tab of X32 Edit 3.2. 





      The FX 1-4 are the mixbuses that feed the first 4 FX slots (by default). These are the dry signals in a side chain FX setup. The FX stereo returns (FX1L, FX1R, etc.) are the FX stereo returns (wet signal) from the FX engine. Both have to be up and enabled/unmuted in order to have the resulting FX in the main mix.


       

      • August 7, 2019
    • DanielBecker
      RexBeckett

      @DanielBecker 


      The Fx1L, Fx1R, Fx2L .. Fx4R faders are the returns from the FX processors in slots FX1 to FX4. The rightmost faders Fx1 .. Fx4 (or Bus 13 ..Bus 16) are the Master faders for the sends to the slots.


       


      When you select a Bus, the faders show channel sends to that Bus (aka Sends on Faders). In this view you would not normally want any of the FX Return faders raised. If an FX slot is sent its own return, unpleasant digital feedback can occur. Even though the FX Master faders are shown on the Aux/FX layer in Sends-on-Fader mode, they are not actually sends to the selected Bus. 


       

      • August 7, 2019
    • DanielBecker
      DanielBecker

      Thank you Paul and Rex.


      To make sure I have this correct: When I send a signal from a channel to the FX, I'm actually sending it to the Bus 13 - 16 that goes to the FX engine but there is a Fader before the FX. So, the Master fader controls the signal of the combined channels sent to that FX. This is as an analog board then. 


      I get side chaining as it relates (for example) to triggering a gate from another channel, but did not understand it as an FX routing.  Is it refered to as side chain because the bus can be used as a MIx Bus that also to send off to the FX?


      I can thus, send the Bus 13 - 16 somewhere else via routing, say out one of the board XLR outputs and at the same time it going to the FX? The signal to both being controlled by the Master.


      I understand you don't want the Returns up when in Sends on Fader in the FX.  Putting the Returns up in a Mix Bus 1 - 12 would send what ever was sent to that FX to that Mix Bus.  This would not be the same as having the FX acting on the Mix Bus as when one wants to have reverb/delay in a monitor mix.  For that I would Insert an FX on the Mix Bus?


      Thank you again.

      • August 7, 2019
    • DanielBecker
      RexBeckett


      @DanielBecker wrote:


      Thank you Paul and Rex.


      To make sure I have this correct: When I send a signal from a channel to the FX, I'm actually sending it to the Bus 13 - 16 that goes to the FX engine but there is a Fader before the FX. So, the Master fader controls the signal of the combined channels sent to that FX. This is as an analog board then. 


      Yes that is correct.


       


      I get side chaining as it relates (for example) to triggering a gate from another channel, but did not understand it as an FX routing.  Is it revered to as side chain because the bus can be used as a MIx Bus that also to send off to the FX?


      It is called side-chained because it operates in parallel to the dry signal from the channel to the mix bus. It is also sometimes called send/return FX to distinguish it from an inserted FX - which does not operate in parallel to the dry feed but replaces it.


       


      I can thus, send the Bus 13 - 16 somewhere else via routing, say out one of the board XLR outputs and at the same time it going to the FX? The signal to both being controlled by the Master.


      Yes you can route the FX Send Buses (13-16) to outputs or Matrix Buses if required.


       


      I understand you don't want the Returns up when in Sends on Fader in the FX.  Putting the Returns up in a Mix Bus 1 - 12 would send what ever was sent to that FX to that Mix Bus.  This would not be the same as having the FX acting on the Mix Bus as when one wants to have reverb/delay in a monitor mix.  For that I would Insert an FX on the Mix Bus?


      You can add FX Returns to monitor mixes in the same way as you would for the Main mix. The catch is that FX Sends are normally post-fader so the FX level will depend on the channel's fader while the dry monitor signal is normally pre-fader. Most reverb/delay FX processors are not suitable for use as inserts as they do not have a Mix control to set the wet/dry balance. The exception is Modulation Delay. Inserted effects are normally used where the processed signal replaces the original. e.g. De-Esser, EQ, Pitch Shift...





      @DanielBecker 

      • August 7, 2019
    • DanielBecker
      DanielBecker

      Ok, so going further.


       


      I click on the FX1 stereo return.  I go to the Sends tab and see that I can send to any of the Mix buses plus the FX bus.  I realize I would not want to send to the FX bus.  I would get that loop thing going.


       


      If I send to a mix bus, am I only sending 1 side of the stereo return to the bus?  Is there really a difference in that the stuff going into the FX did not go in stereo, can't be panned going in so I assume it does not matter?

      • August 7, 2019
  • MikeBurton
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-01-14

    Hi there, 

    I have a scene with the X32 that I have attached. I didn't have any issue with it before, but now I can't seem to figure out the routing.


    In Reaper, Outs 1-2 are for our in-ear sends (Outs 1-2 XLR on the X32) and Outs 7-8 are supposed to be the FOH sends (Just backings, no click or notifications; Outs XLR 7-8 on the X32)).

    My issue is that I can get audio, but it is straight from Reaper; I can't control anything in the X32. I assume my routing must be a little buggered. While this is useable, I would very much like to be able to control levels and sends from Mixing Station or the X32 PC Program.

    What exactly am I doing wrong here? I am fairly accomplished at DAW mixing but I seem to get dyslexia when it comes to the X32 control panels.

     

    Specs:

    Running a PC Laptop connected to the X32 via USB. All drivers updated.

    X32 connected to dedicated Wifi router

    Reaper multitrack session for program changes to Axe FX and backing track files.

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    • MikeBurton
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Mike @MikeBurton 


      Thanks for providing your scene file (without asking). It makes troubleshooting so much easier. The reason why you have absolutely no control of the outputs from Reaper is that you have assigned the signals coming from Reaper (via the card in) directly to the XLR Outs in the Routing section. If you want to control these signals, you have to bring them into the console and assign them to channel strips. If you are only dealing with 4 signals (out 1-2 for IEM and 7-8 for FOH) the most economical way is to use the Aux In Remap. But is there a reason why you are using Out 1-2 and 7-8? Can you change the Reaper outputs to make them 1-4? If so, then assign Card 1-4 to the Aux In Remap. If not, you can use the new User In to bring those 2 pair together, then assign User In 1-4 to Aux In Remap.


       


      After you have mapped them appropriately, disable the Main LR from Aux 1-2 and send those signals to the mixbuses you want to control with Mixing Station. 


       

      • January 14, 2020
    • MikeBurton
      MikeBurton

      Thanks for the reply!

      There is no reason to use 7-8 other than physical separation. I can assign it to 3-4.


      The issue I am running into is that I also need to use XLR inputs for live mics (3 mics channels 1-3) as well as guitars (inputs 4-5) bass (6) and drum mics (7-8). I tried routing it but I am just getting the signal (Output 1-2 from Reaper) going into the first two vocal channels in the X32.

      • January 14, 2020
    • MikeBurton
      GaryHiggins

      @MikeBurton Hi Mike, looking at this-are you recording or just using live ch's and playing card backing/click? If just playing tracks It would seem as the card out routing has no bearing except to complicate the issue...afaict with the XLR out-if I understood-you use a spitter-so the xlr outs should be in play for your in ear and other monitor mixes. As Paul @Paul_Vannatto said in his post you are sending your 8 live ins directly out of the 8 physical XLR's. I think maybe that's the issue, the xlr out settings. I read this as none of your actual mixbusses will be assigned an xlr out just direct outs of your 8 "live" inputs. I might try a pretty basic set up of your 8 live inputs, card 9-16 to grab your first 4 backing and click, leave card out at the default and your xlr out at default (out 1-4/5-8). You can give FOH the splitter feeds of the 8 live inputs and xlr outs 7 and 8 which will have your backing tracks via mixbus 7/8. The rest of your mixes as set in out 1-16 routing. Just a thought-sorry if I misunderstand.

      • January 14, 2020
  • andyp13
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-16

    On my old x32 I had 'touch-sensitive faders' if I touched a fader it would select that particular channel.

    Does the new Wing not have this feature?

    i saw an option in the setup called 'Fader Select' but that does not do anything whether it's on or off so I'm not sure what that is for? 

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    • andyp13
      GaryHiggins

      @andyp13 


      Fader select has to do with the main touchscreen knob.


      Fader Select on = Touchscreen KNOB turning causes the selected ch fader movement.


       


      Fader Select off = Touchscreen KNOB turning does not cause ch fader movement.


       

      • May 15, 2020
    • andyp13
      andyp13

      Hi Gary


      So does the Wing not have the facility of the touch fader to select channel then? is this not an option on this desk ?


       

      • May 15, 2020
  • dv
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-10

    First of all, if this is the wrong place to post this, let me know.

    I recently acquired a Behringer Xenyx X1204USB mixer. However, the USB Audio output seems to be extremely quiet. Audio does come through, but I need to turn the main outs as well as the headphones volume control most of the way up to hear it. Even with these all the way up, it still is quieter than a whisper.

    I do not believe this is a problem with the computer or any other hardware, because I used an identical setup before, but with an iTrack Solo instead of a X1204USB (I use the 2-track outputs).

    The unit seems to be otherwise completely functional. Audio from other sources, including the XLR and line inputs, as well as the returns is outputted perfectly.

    I am going to try using a different USB cable to connect the mixer to my computer as soon as I get a chance, but I have used the cable currently in use with no problem before.

    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much,

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    • dv
      RichardYClark


      @dv wrote:


      However, the USB Audio output seems to be extremely quiet. Audio does come through, but I need to turn the main outs as well as the headphones volume control most of the way up to hear it. Even with these all the way up, it still is quieter than a whisper.


      The unit seems to be otherwise completely functional. Audio from other sources, including the XLR and line inputs, as well as the returns is outputted perfectly.



      Don't quite understand where the problem is. I am confused by the two statements 'USB Audio output seems to be extremely quiet' and ' as well as the returns is outputted perfectly.' They seem to contradict one another. Where are you listening that is so low level?

      • June 10, 2019
    • dv
      dv

      @RichardYClark 


      I apologize for the confusion. Hopefully this clears things up.


      When I use the returns in conjunction with the sends on the mixer, everything seems to work fine. I often use the sends and returns to use miked instruments with pedals, and this works fine. However, when I connect the mixer to my computer, and play audio from the computer, the audio is outputted very quietly from the mixer. I did make sure that the volume was turned up on the computer.


      Again, sorry for the confusion. Thank you for the help.

      • June 11, 2019
  • AlexDem
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-09-04

    Hello everybody,

    I’m sorry to open a new thread on this already-discussed-one-thousand-times issue. I have read most of the previous threads about that, but I still haven’t found an answer to my problems.

    So, let’s make it short. I have an X32 for FOH and it is connected to an X32 Rack and S16 cascaded. (X32 aesA <-> aesA X32 Rack aes B <-> aesA S16). All the instruments and microphones are connected to the X32 Rack and S16. Output 7-8 of the X32 Rack is MAIN L-R and outputs 1-8 of the S16 are for IEMs. The X32 FOH is only used for mixing, so there is just a Cat.5e cable connected.

    So far, I have been able to achieve a few things with the routing, which probably means that it is not too wrong:

    • I can control all the channels on the X32, with HA remote activated
    • I can send sound to the IEMs through MixBuses
    • I can send sound to the MAIN L-R

    However, there are a few things I don’t understand:

    • I have a P16m connected to the Ultranet of the X32 Rack. Is it possible to send selected channels from the X32 FOH to the Ultranet of the X32 Rack (or S16) rather than the Ultranet at the back of the X32 FOH?

    I also have other questions, but one thing after the other…

     

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    • AlexDem
      Paul_Vannatto


      @AlexDem wrote:



      • I have a P16m connected to the Ultranet of the X32 Rack. Is it possible to send selected channels from the X32 FOH to the Ultranet of the X32 Rack (or S16) rather than the Ultranet at the back of the X32 FOH?





      In order to assign channels from FOH to the X32 Rack Ultranet, you have to import them to the Rack, like you would do the signals from the S16.


       


      It would be much easier to redirect the Ultranet from FOH to the S16 Ultranet. This is accomplished by going to the Rack Routing, AES50-b screen (or AES50 bottom (B) section in X32-Edit) and assign the AES50 A33-40 and A40-48 to the 5th and 6th banks.


       

      • September 3, 2019
    • AlexDem
      garyh

      I would add that the Ultranet port on the rear of an S16 carries the assignments of the mixer it is directly connected to on whichever port, A or B, it’s connected by. It then uses that mixer’s aes50a (or aes50b) out 33-48 routing menu. P16 1-8 and 9-16 output routing on that mixer is the default setting but other options exist and can be substituted, you could use outputs 1-16, aux out assignments or even aes50 inputs for instance. If your S16 is connected to the FOH X32 then that routing is done there on aes50 out 33-48 of the FOH X32. If connected to your Rack then it’s the Rack’s aes50 33-48 routing that dictates what emanates from the Ultranet port of the S16. The 2 menu’s can vary widely. 

      • September 4, 2019
    • AlexDem
      Davidkiim

      @Paul_Vannatto 


      Paul, not sure how long age this thread ended, but I had a question regarding this issue. I have the same exact setup -> X32 FOH -> X32 rack (AES50A) -> S16 (AES50B from rack to AES50A S16)


      i currently have all my P16 linked to the S16 (whatever I set on FOH mixer, shows up in my S16, so I’m assuming my configuration is what you described above). The ultranet on the rack, however, gives me something completely different, thus I assume I can have different things routed to it. How do I go about choosing what channels I want on the rack’s ultranet? I’m assuming this won’t affect the S16 ultranet assignments, which are correct right now. 


      So, in short, can I have different routing assignments for each ultranet (rack and S16)?


       


       

      • September 12, 2019
    • AlexDem
      Paul_Vannatto


      @Davidkiim wrote:


      So, in short, can I have different routing assignments for each ultranet (rack and S16)?





      Yes you can David. We call them Ultranet zones and you can potentially have up to 3 zones. 


       


      The Ultranet port on the back of the Rack (or any X32 console) is hardwired to what is assigned on the Routing, Ultranet screen. Those assignments can be also sent down the AES50 (5th and 6th banks) to a stagebox that also has Ultranet ports. In this scenario, the Ultranet port on the back of the Rack will be identical to the Ultranet port on the stagebox (eg. S16). But the AES50 (5th and 6th banks) can have different assignments, such as Out 1-8, 9-16 which relate to what is individually assigned on the Routing, Out 1-16 screen. Thus each AES50 port could potentially send different signals to the Ultranet ports of the stageboxes attached to them.


       


      Hope this explanation helps. If so, thank Robert @Roblof, since he was the first to discover it.

      • September 12, 2019
    • AlexDem
      Davidkiim

      Paul @Paul_Vannatto , I think I understand it, but not completely sure. So in my scenario, if I wanted the rack, which is connected to the FOH, and the S16, which is connected to the rack, to have different things on the ultranet port, is this what I would have to do?


       


      FOH p16 out (choose channels I want on S16 ultranet), AES50A out 5th and 6th banks (P16: 1-16). 


      Rack AES50B out 5th and 6th banks -> assign AES50A 33-48


      Rack p16 out (choose channels I want on Rack ultranet)

      • September 12, 2019
  • vdx
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-11-23

    Is it possible to assign individual effects to each line/channel?

    Like, reverb on channel 1 and distortion on channel 2 etc.

    Can't seem to find the answer to this very simple question anywherre in any reviews :/

    Could someone do a FX youtube review and howTo please

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    • vdx
      KenMitchell

      Hi Martin ( @vdx ), 


       


      Welcome to the community.  The manual is pretty "thin" in this area but based on the fact that there's only a single FX send knob per channel strip, I'm guessing that there's only a single FX bus and therefore all channels would go to the same FX engine.  What is confusing is that they are calling the FX a "24-bit dual engine DSP" but then under it they say "24-bit A/D and D/A Converter" so maybe those are the dual engines. 


       


      You could always use the Aux 1 Send/Returns to attach an external FX processor to the mixer. 


       


      Hope this helps, 


      Ken


       

      • November 23, 2019
    • vdx
      vdx

      Hi @KenMitchell



       


      Thanks for your reply. 


       


      Like you, I also think crucial information about his is no where to be found. Your answer is also my own conclusion.


       


      Confirmation on the issue would be nice though, since the reason I am looking at this mixer in the first place would be the effects  


       


      I need something small for a proper one man live act, with a minimum of extra effect modules. I need like 4-6 different effects at the same time and was hoping to get this from the mixer. 


       


      /Martin


       
      • November 23, 2019
    • vdx
      KenMitchell

      Hi Martin ( @vdx ), 


       


      I've helped several friends who are solo performers and they've found the XR12 to work very well for them.  You may also want to browse through the TC-Helicon offerings, particularly the VoiceLive 3 and Play Acoustic.  Building a pedalboard might be a good route for you. 


       


      Hope this helps, 


      Ken

      • November 24, 2019
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