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  • andreasmwatt1
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-01-30

    Probably a really easy thing I am missing but here we go. M32 Live connected to a DL32. Just trying to route Aux 5 and 6 over AES50 A. Set my gains on my ins and set my main, meters all look good, link light on DL32 and I see it on my console. In routing, I have everything still set as local/aux ins on the input side and on AES A I have them channel to channel from AES50 A 1-48. Nothing is muted, Im stumped. Thanks in advance.

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    • andreasmwatt1
      RexBeckett

      @andreasmwatt1 


      Hello Andreas, welcome to the community.


       


      I'm not clear on what you want to do. The DL32 has 16 XLR ouputs. What signal do you want to send to each of the outputs? It may save some time if you save your scene and attach the .scn file to your post. See Choose File button below.

      • January 30, 2020
    • andreasmwatt1
      andreasmwatt1

      @RexBeckett I want to send my main L and R from my M32 live to the DL32 output 1 and 2. I will be at the console soon and can attach the file, but it's just out of the box so it's factory at the moment. 

      • January 30, 2020
    • andreasmwatt1
      RexBeckett


      @andreasmwatt1 wrote:


      @RexBeckett I want to send my main L and R from my M32 live to the DL32 output 1 and 2. I will be at the console soon and can attach the file, but it's just out of the box so it's factory at the moment. 





      @andreasmwatt1 


      The default routing will put Main L & R on AES50-A 15/16 which will feed DL32 XLR outputs 15 & 16. If you want to route Main L & R to DL32 outputs 1 & 2 instead, you can just change the Routing -> Out 1-16 as below:


      Routing, Out 1-16Routing, Out 1-16


      If you attach your scene, we can change it for you if you prefer.

      • January 31, 2020
  • PatrickGMaillot
    Valued Contributor - Level 2
    2019-11-17
    Maybe an answer here (or at least a starting point): https://youtu.be/7GgKUE7CIrE Any interest for this?
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  • LHUFF121
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-01-24

    I have v3.12 scenes on a USB drive, will they load into v4.0?

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    • LHUFF121
      Paul_Vannatto


      @LHUFF121 wrote:


      I have v3.12 scenes on a USB drive, will they load into v4.0?





      Yes you can. I would suggest that you re-save and export the scenes after you have upgraded to 4.02 so that the new scenes will include the new features (DP48, User In and User Out).


       

      • January 24, 2020
    • LHUFF121
      GaryHiggins

      @LHUFF121 I hope you meant 4.02 and not 4.0, 4.0 is loaded with (well at least it has many) issues. 4.02 is where you want to be. @Paul_Vannatto has mentioned 4.02 in his post, I just wanted to add the part about 4.0 having issues in case that was your plan.

      • January 24, 2020
    • LHUFF121
      TonyVenables

      Thanks for the note Gary about 4.02. I have had many issues with 4.0 and now have lost syc with the iPad. I lost routing and many settings plus all my saved library files. How did it go moving to 4.02? do you loose stuff again?

      • January 27, 2020
    • LHUFF121
      GaryHiggins

      @TonyVenables my update was very smooth, do it from the mixer/setup/global page while mixer is ON. If so it will offer a back up option...

      • January 28, 2020
  • weason
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-06-01

    We are trying to direct record from the M32 to a MAC Air using Pro Presenter.  The DN32 is seen by the MAC, but the volume is low.  Any suggestions on how to increase the output volume?

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    • weason
      GaryHiggins

      @weason 


      Hello, what tap point are you using? If you use "local" as the source for card out, the gain setting is all you can boost but of course not to the point of distortion. If you change the source of card out using utranet out, out 1-16 or aux out you can then use direct outputs of your ch's at post fader or post eq etc and get some further boost that way.

      • June 1, 2020
    • weason
      weason

      Yes, we are using "local outs".  Routing seems difficult - may not be but it's confusing.  And of course the user guide isn't much help.


      So changing to the Ultranet 1-16 outs is there a way to adjust the overall gain or is it still per chanel?

      • June 1, 2020
  • S-Audio
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-12-01

    I just installed the latest firmware and I have lost the routing I had set up. Two things I can't figure out:

    Signal is is passing through from my channels to the card out even when the faders are down. when the faders are raised it just increases the signal level going to my monitors. (aux 1/2) there is no increase of level to the card outs.

    Routing channel comp,eq etc.to My DAW. I had great instructions from this site but now I can follow them becuase the routing is a little different from the last firmware. There is no Ultranet tab and I can't find options for direct out settings.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    • S-Audio
      RexBeckett

      @S-Audio 


      The default routing for the Card (USB) output takes the channels directly from the inputs so no channel processing is applied. If you want the feeds to be post-fader, you will need to stage them on the OutputUltranet or Aux tabs.


       


      To find the Ultranet routing on the console, click the Routing button and then click the right arrow to move to the Patch -> P16 view.


       


      The routing screens on V4.0 are a little different but everything is still there. If you get stuck, save your scene, attach the file to your post (see Choose File button below) and tell us what you want to achieve.


       


      BTW: Check on the console Scenes screen to see if your original scene is still there and could be loaded. The update process loses snippets but scenes are usually retained. 

      • November 30, 2019
    • S-Audio
      S-Audio

      Thanks Rex. I was able to get my channel effects to work with your help. I am trying to set the console up for recording into my DAW. I want the faders to control the input of my channels and be routed to my daw. 


      I will try to upload my scene file a little later today.


      Thanks for your help.

      • December 1, 2019
    • S-Audio
      S-Audio

      Here is the scene file,not sure if I did this right. Are there scene files out there for setting up the console for DAW recording applications? I know some setup differently but the basic in and outs for a more traditional work flow would be helpful.

      .scn
      • December 1, 2019
    • S-Audio
      RexBeckett


      @S-Audio wrote:


      Here is the scene file,not sure if I did this right. Are there scene files out there for setting up the console for DAW recording applications? I know some setup differently but the basic in and outs for a more traditional work flow would be helpful.





      @S-Audio 


      Many people use a DAW to record the direct channel inputs. There are two ways to finish the mix: Either add EQ, dynamics and FX to the channels using the DAW processing, add EQ, FX and dynamics to the final mix and send that to the console as a stereo or surround return for monitoring; Or return each channel from the DAW to the mixer and do all processing and mixing on the console.


       


      If you record the mixer channels from a signal tap other than the input, some channel processing will be applied. You would not normally then return the DAW tracks through the mixer channels as this processing would be duplicated. So you would add additional processing in the DAW and finish the mix there.


       


      If you tell us how you would like to record from the mixer channels, we can guide you with the routing.


       


      In the scene you attached, the first eight Card (USB) outputs are being staged on the Ultranet tab but they are set as Pre EQ signal taps which excludes most of the channel processing. If you want to record the channels after their faders - i.e. will all channel processing applied - you would use the Post Fader signal taps:


      X32 UNP.PNG

      • December 1, 2019
    • S-Audio
      S-Audio

      I want to use the console as my front end to the DAW and process and mix in the box. I would like to setup some channels on the M32r Live so that I can use the channel strip comp,eq into the DAW. I would also like the channel inputs to be post fader on the M32r Live so I can control mic inputs ect.


       


      My big issue is not totaly understanding the routing and the manual is vague at best.


      thanks again for your help

      • December 1, 2019
  • TerryKuhn
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-07

    Hello and thanks for reading.  We have a Midas M32 in a 400 seat auditorium feeding 3 Vue AS-12 speakers in an LCR hang and two Vue AS-115 powered subs.  I am using this downtime to map out all of the stage connections and found a puzzle.  The installers are not using the M/C out from the M32 to feed the center channel speaker, they ran the main left/right into a dbx DriveRack PA2 and have the "high" outputs highpassed to the left and right speakers, the subs are on the low pass side of the crossover, running in mono on the left output, and the "mid" frequency of the crossover has the same settings as the "high" with the left channel feeding the center channel.  They don't have any other processing turned on it the PA2.  I have 2 questions; would the subs be better in stereo?  And the big question, are we getting a "real" center channel out of this configuration?  It seems to me they just made another "left" channel.

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    • TerryKuhn
      RexBeckett

      @TerryKuhn 


      Hello Terry, welcome to the community.


       


      It may not make much difference to the subs but you could drive the subs and centre from a sum of the left and right channels. The DriveRack should be able to do that. Using the console's M/C output to drive the centre channel could involve a lot of adjustment to match the processing delay through the DriveRack.

      • May 6, 2020
    • TerryKuhn
      KevinMaxwell

      Are these VUE Audiotechnik speakers. I searched and I can’t find VUE speakers of the models that you have posted. How old is the install? Are these powered speakers? You mention that the subs are powered. If not powered what power amps are installed for which speakers? If these are VUE Audiotechnik speakers the use of a DBX-PA2 seems like a mismatch.


       


      How does the sound system sound? Is this setup as a true LCR system or is it a center cluster with 3 speakers covering the whole room. Or is it 3 speakers separated and hung to the left the center and the right in the front of the room? In a true LCR system each part of the system should cover the whole room. If it isn’t and you try to feed it as though it is a true LCR it will not sound good. I can go into a lot more detail on that if you need me to. Physically where are the subs? Do you have a picture of this setup that you can link to?


       


      The fact that you are asking the questions that you are asking means that you are interested in how things work. But if everything is working and sounds good do you know enough to make changes that will improve the system? And if it doesn’t sound good do you know enough to make changes that will improve the system? Have you asked anyone at the church about the details of the system? Have you spoken to the installers or designer of the system to understand why it is setup the way that you think it is? Is there something that sounds wrong that you think needs to be fixed?


       


      Your answers to these questions would be needed to properly give you an answer to your questions.

      • May 6, 2020
  • djn111
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-16

    Hello,

    Does anyone have experience if the Waves X-WSG card works in a M32C ?

    DJN

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  • Manos
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-12-05

    Thanks to @RexBeckett, I now have my 12 input signals Post-routed to Ableton using the P16 Outs.

    Now, I would like to reverse this and route back the recorded tracks to different inputs on the M32.

    **It would be really handy if I could use the DCA/BUS/MATRIX faders section as inputs for the Ableton tracks.

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    • Manos
      adam_nowak

      Hi Manos


       


      I suggest you use the Routing PLAY/REC function on the Routing Input screen :
      - Set your regular input banks depending on what you want to record when you're in REC mode
      - Now turn 6th encoder to select PLAY and push
      - You now have a 2nd set of input routing where all the sources are replaced by the output from Ableton
      (by default the PLAY routing is set to Cards)


       


      DCA are not really channels
      BUS and MATRIX cannot be reassigned to get card returns
      So you have to use regular channels / aux to get audio back from Ableton.


       


      I suggest you watch a couple tutorial videos about the Routing capabilities of the M/X32 series


      Hope this helped
      Best regards

      • December 5, 2019
    • Manos
      RexBeckett

      @Manos 


      Hi Manos, the last time I saw your scene, you were only using channels 1-12 & 31/32. You could route your twelve playback tracks to, say, channels 17-28 so they would be available by switching layers rather than using the Record/Play routing switch. 


       


      Using the shiny new User In routing:


      X32 User In.PNG


      X32 Manos Inputs.PNG

      • December 5, 2019
  • DwayneAasberg
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2019-12-10

    I think I'm missing something key here, and I'm hoping one of y'all will pull me out of the rhubarb.

    I understand the utility for post-eq (pre-fader) mix bus for, like, a monitor send.

    And I understand the utility of post-fader mix bus for sending to an effect.

    But, what's the difference between a post-fader mix bus and a sub-group?  Why would you use a sub-group instead of a post-fader mix bus?

    The reason I ask is that I need to dynamically process a signal coming in on an Auxin.  I plan to route that Auxin to a mix bus, and use the dynamics there.  But...  should I use a sub-group?  Why?

    Thx in advance for your sage and reasoned responses.
    Dwayne A

     

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    • DwayneAasberg
      KenMitchell

      Hi Dwayne ( @DwayneAasberg) , 


       


      I don't know if I'd call @Paul_Vannatto or @Roblof  "sage or reasoned" but here you go: 


       


      https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Mixing/Mixbus-Post-Fader-vs-Subgroup/td-p/108259


       


      Ken

      • December 10, 2019
    • DwayneAasberg
      CraigFowler

      Think of a subgroup as a post-fader send with the send level locked at unity.


      On older analogue consoles, with the send level essentially locked at unity, it's one less gain stage (potentiometer on an analogue console) that the signal would have to go through.  Instead of a variable send it was simply an assign\unassign switch.  Less complex circuitry = cleaner signal.  Not so much of an issue on a digital console.


       


      The question then becomes (at least for digital consoles,) why would you want the send level to be locked at unity, rather than have it variable?  Basically because it's simpler to work with.  It also depends on what the subgroup is actually for.  With things like FX sends, you might want the send levels variable to help you control the dry:wet of individual channels in the main mix vs how much FX they get.  OTOH, you benefit from a send locked at unity if there are things like thresholds to worry about with parallel processing and you don't want things getting out of whack.


      The other thing is that with stereo subgroups, the ch>subgroup pan follows the ch>LR pan, maintaining the stereo image, whereas if you have a stereo post fade send, you can set a different ch>bus pan than what the ch>LR pan is.


       


      For your use case I'd use a subgroup because it's simpler (or I'd get a spare channel with full processing and set that channel's source as aux1.)

      • December 10, 2019
    • DwayneAasberg
      Paul_Vannatto


      @KenMitchell wrote:


      I don't know if I'd call @Paul_Vannatto or @Roblof  "sage or reasoned"



      I'm wondering, since sage is a spice, the OP meant to say "sage or seasoned" 


       





      https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Mixing/Mixbus-Post-Fader-vs-Subgroup/td-p/108259





      Oh my! Back then (2013) I was still trying to figure this "darn thing" (X32) out (just like I'm now doing with the Wing). @DwayneAasberg I would suggest you understand @CraigFowler 's explanation. 


       

      • December 10, 2019
    • DwayneAasberg
      KevinMaxwell

      I am in the Post fader Mix Bus send camp. I actually find it easier to select the Mix Bus that you want the channels assigned to and select sends on faders and bring up to Nominal the channels you want to send to that Mix Bus. Having to use the Mute as the on /off I have found confusing at times. It is referred to as variable sub groups by most people that use this method. I also like that this method gives me the ability to vary how much I send of each channel to that Mix Bus.  


       


      But one of the things that is so nice with digital consoles is there are different ways to do things so you can do it the way you like it. You have options.

      • December 10, 2019
  • MarkNorgren
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-03-10

    We recently updated my M32R to the newest firmware.  When we got to our gig, a couple of the guys reported they could not not use the M32Q app.  It didn't contain the info as before.  I recently read something about a new MX-Q app.  What is the latest app that works for monitor mixes?  A couple guys use older iPhones.  Thanks!

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    • MarkNorgren
      RexBeckett

      @MarkNorgren 


      There is information about MX-Q in this thread. 

      • March 9, 2020
    • MarkNorgren
      BillHood

      Doesn't sound like this is your issue, but when I loaded 4.02 it changed my board IP addess (which I had manually entered into my users M32-Q program).  MX-Q will scan for the board so not as much an issue, but M32-Q and Mix-32 do not (at least my versions don't). Changed my board IP back, and all is well.

      • March 13, 2020
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