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  • KirkDickinson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-16

    We have an X32 board at our Church and have used it for 3-4 years. No serious problems. Every now and then I have noticed some noise on the bass player's channel. (8) He has an old bass with unshielded pickups and it right near the LED lighting, so I just assumed that was the problem.

    The other night, I was at the church to record the pastors sermon. One mic, one channel. I just happened select the bass chanel becuase it is in the same position, different layer than the pastors mic. It wasn't in the mix and there wasn't anything plugged in, but there was a lot of high frequency noise showing on the EQ spectrograph. If solo'ed the is some high frequency clicking that sounds like some electronic communication. I ran across all the channels and the keyboard channel (10) is also doing it.

    We did some troubleshooting...

    Path... Keyboard-->Instrument cable-->DI-->XLR-->Oldschool Snake-->x32

    Unplugged at each point. No change until we disconnected the snake from the X32. Bad Snake channel? Swapped with quiet channel. Noise doesn't follow where the snake is plugged in. It stays with the noisy channels 8 and 10. The noise does go away when nothing is plugged into that port. 

    Do we have a couple preamps that are going bad??

    Picture of the noise. Channel 8 has more than channel 10.

     

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    • KirkDickinson
      KevinMaxwell

      Is the gain set the same on the quiet channel as the noisy one? An unterminated channel is likely to be noisy and the noise usually goes away when something is actually plugged into the snake. Do the same test with a dynamic mic (NON Phantom) plugged into the snake channels.

      • May 16, 2020
    • KirkDickinson
      KirkDickinson

      @KevinMaxwellThere are similar gains between the channels in question. The noise goes completely away when the channel is unplugged completely.

      • May 16, 2020
    • KirkDickinson
      KevinMaxwell


      @KirkDickinson wrote:


      @KevinMaxwellThere are similar gains between the channels in question. The noise goes completely away when the channel is unplugged completely.





      It sounds more like a bad route to the X32 if the noise goes away when the input is unplugged. If you plug a mic into a snake channel into a different input into the X32 and determine that it is quite into this other channel and then move that quite snake channel at the mixer into channel 8 and then to channel 10. Is it noisy or quite? I would also suggest that you bypass the channel EQ settings when doing these tests. How are you monitoring the noisy channels?


       


      You could also attach a scene here and we can see if there is anything that looks funny.

      • May 16, 2020
    • KirkDickinson
      KirkDickinson

      @KevinMaxwell 


      Channels 8 and 11 are noisy no matter what is plugged into it. I have swapped quite feeds from the snake and it is still noisy. The noise doesn't follow the feed from the snake, but stays on the input. I am not by the board, but will look at the gain settings and load up a factory preset to see if that makes a difference. If it is still noisy, I can attach a scene.


      I am monitoring the noisy channel by watching the eq jump around like crazy with no input, listening to it on headphones, or putting it out to the mains. Since the noise is to high, you can't really hear much except for what sounds like midi interference... steady pulsing digital clicking. Not a 30 cycle hum. Clicks are too fast to count, but noticable.

      • May 16, 2020
    • KirkDickinson
      KevinMaxwell

      I thought of one more thing to try. Do you know how to change the Source in the channel configuration for each channel? Swap a good channel, put 1 as the source for 8 or 10 and see what happens when you do that. And put 8 as the source for channel 1. Just take note of your gain settings so in case it changes them you can get back to where you were before.


       


      Keep in mind that if you do a factory reset it may make changes that you don’t want to happen or it may not make the changes that you think it will. I haven’t done a factory reset / initialize settings in a long time so I don’t remember what gets changed.   

      • May 16, 2020
  • JeffreyScott
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-16

    Hi Folks...I have something odd happening with my X32 Rack setup with an S16. I normally plug directly in to the X32 Rack but this week past I tested out my S16 and encountered something strange.

    I am running 4.02 FW on the X32 and am Running 2.4Fw on the S16. I am using a Klark Tecnik Grounded / Shielded Ethercon cable to conect the two.

    I have NOT engaged the "Lock Out Stage Box" or the HA Trim Control buttons in the Global setup Tab.

    My test setup is a Vocal Mic plugged in to the channel and carefully and evenly saying Check Check..(lol)

    So...when I plug directly into the X32...on channels 1 to 8 and on 9 to 16...if I turn the Input gain completely off to the Left (-12db)...and speak into a mic..The Mixer/ Channel behaves as expected. There is no Input signal being shown on the channel strip meters and no output signal being sent to the LR Main output. Turning up the Input gain shows a gradual increase on the Channel Meter...and a volume increase from nothing to a normal level on the LR Mains / output speakers...just as expected. All Good.

    But...when I connect the S16...I have green Light sync between the two devices...the S16 Configuration Knob turned completely over to the left ( Mode 1)...I get a different behaviour on the channel inputs. Channels 1-8 behave as normal....the X32 controls the input gain as expected and there is no problem. However...Channels 9-16....when the Input gain knob is turned completely to the Left (-12db)...there is still signal showing on the Channel meter and you can hear it thru the Mains. Turning up the Input gain increases the Output of the channel but it doesn't seem to be as sensitive or to get as loud as a mic pluged in to Channels 1-8.

    Is there a way the Preamps Control in the Setups tab supposed to be set?

    Is there a specific Routing/ Input and Output setup . I admit I still don't fully understand the Routing on the X32. I have always used the basic stock configuration of the local inputs and outputs on the back of the X32.

    Is the S16 defective? Is it an internal setting that's causing this? Any help would be appreciated

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    • JeffreyScott
      GaryHiggins

      @JeffreyScott 


      Hello, you have aes50a 1-8 and 9-16 as the first 16 mixer input ch's I assume? Did you try adjusting the gain using the setup/preamps page (as opposed to the mixer gain knob) and see if the results are the same? It should do the same thing but I'm curious. It seems like maybe something hardware wise is defective. My S16 is currently not set up to check if that's also how mine operates, but I kind of doubt it.

      • May 16, 2020
    • JeffreyScott
      JeffreyScott

      Yes...aes50a 1-8 and 9-16 are set up as the first 16 channels on the mixer input channels. Yes....when adjusting the gain using the Setup/ Preamp pages the results are the same.

      • May 16, 2020
    • JeffreyScott
      JeffreyScott

      To summarize....the problem is that channels 9-16 on the S16 seem to be not shutting completely off when the input gain is adjusted...or  it's as if there is signal leaking in from somewhere else.

      • May 16, 2020
    • JeffreyScott
      JeffreyScott

      Update....with more testing it appears that Channel 16 has a TON of gain....way over and above the channels 9-15.


      I'm getting worried...this sounds like the unit is fried...and it's out of warranty now...

      • May 16, 2020
  • JanDuwe
    Triber
    2019-11-13

    Dear X32 fellows,
    We have just released v4.0, a major update to the X32 series firmware and the EDIT desktop apps.

    All updates are online now, webpages are being updated currently, and it may take a little while until it is properly reflected on web server caches.For those who can't wait to check it out here are the download links, and a link to Goetz' fantastic 3:42 minutes of info on youtube
     
    If you prefer the old layout, you may of course keep using fw 3.12 with EDIT apps 3.2. But you will miss the many really cool features like point-to-point routing and remote configuration of Midas' recent DP48 monitoring system etc. etc.

    See the download links below and have fun as much as we had over the past months creating the new UI. Big kudos to Adam, Andreina, Brunella, Martin, Michael and Thomas for making this possible, and of course to the beta-team for much valued comments!!!

    Best regards,
    Jan
     
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    • JanDuwe
      MarshallH

      We just uploaded it to a few displays in our retail store. Looks really good! I can't wait to play around with the new patch routing. 


      Stagesound.com

      • November 13, 2019
    • JanDuwe
      GaryHiggins

      Updated my M32 and Core so far...very happy about Core/M32C being able to export shows!....long time coming. I don't see a specific area for the DP48 setup, in edit anyway, did I miss it? Love the user in/out routing sections, extremely powerful. Only can guess at the possibilities. Great work all! 

      • November 13, 2019
    • JanDuwe
      Paul_Vannatto


      @GaryHiggins wrote:


      I don't see a specific area for the DP48 setup, in edit anyway, did I miss it?  





      No you didn't miss it. The editor doesn't have it yet. But the firmware does, meaning you can access it from one of the other (non-core) X32/M32 models interface. I have Scene Parser almost ready for release and hoping to provide a DP48 tool in Live Toolbox in the near future (yes you can access it via OSC). 


       

      • November 13, 2019
    • JanDuwe
      PerHeldal

      I get 404 when trying to download some of the files (X-Edit Linux 32-bit, and RPI)

      • November 13, 2019
    • JanDuwe
      FelixHomann

      Hi Jan,


      can we hope for some "firmware love" for the X Air/ M Air mixers, too, now that the X32 v4 has been done? You once mentioned that internally some of the most wanted features have already been implemented and you just didn't have the resources to update the apps as well. That would be highly appreciated  

      • November 13, 2019
  • JoshS
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-15

    Hello!

    Is there any way to setup the Mute Goups in the Wing like the M32/X32. I.E. mute group is engaged but i can still individually unmute items in the group if needed. Currently its setup like DCA mute.

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    • JoshS
      GaryHiggins

      @JoshS 


      Hi Josh, did you try and turn off dca mute on the setup/global page?

      • May 15, 2020
    • JoshS
      KevinMaxwell

      My answer to someone else asking this question in another thread was -


      A workaround would be to un-assign that channel for the mute group when you need it to be unmuted. Hold down the “MUTE GROUPS” button and also press the Mute master button for the mute group that is muting the keyboard. And then press the SELECT key for the Keyboard input and this will take it out of the Mute group.

      • May 16, 2020
  • andyp13
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-16

    On my old x32 I had 'touch-sensitive faders' if I touched a fader it would select that particular channel.

    Does the new Wing not have this feature?

    i saw an option in the setup called 'Fader Select' but that does not do anything whether it's on or off so I'm not sure what that is for? 

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    • andyp13
      GaryHiggins

      @andyp13 


      Fader select has to do with the main touchscreen knob.


      Fader Select on = Touchscreen KNOB turning causes the selected ch fader movement.


       


      Fader Select off = Touchscreen KNOB turning does not cause ch fader movement.


       

      • May 15, 2020
    • andyp13
      andyp13

      Hi Gary


      So does the Wing not have the facility of the touch fader to select channel then? is this not an option on this desk ?


       

      • May 15, 2020
  • andyp13
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-15

    First of all, if someone can help me please could you email me as I will probably never be able to find this post again on what has to be the most confusing forum of all.

    my email - [email protected]

     

    I have the new Behringer Wing and as usual, it is confusing mainly due to the lack of documentation/manual.

    I have two main problems at the moment.

    1. How do I record to and from the Flashdrive?  I use the WING with a DAW and when finished a project I would need to record the finished mix to the flash drive and then connect it to the computer to master the stereo file. OR is there any way I could have USB out (chan 47/48) to carry the main mix back into the computer to record the master... 

    2. I just can't get my head around the SOF to enable me to use an effect across multiple channels -  Do I select master Buss Master first then SOF button as just pressing SOF does nothing.. then what do I do? the faders on the left also change - do I select one of them? or do I select the buss channel...i inserted a reverb on Buss 1 but as soon as I select Buss Master/SOF the desk screams feedback and shuts the volume down....

    A Manual would really help.

    If you can help, please reply to my email as I will never be able to find this post again.

    thanks In Anticipation 

     

     

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  • phil_herington
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-07

    We just upgraded to a WING with P16s from a Roland 480 and M48 monitors. When routing the channels to the P16, is there a way to route the channel to the P16 post EQ? It seem as though the signal send to the P16 is the raw input signal.

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    • phil_herington
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Phil @phil_herington ,


      Welcome to the forum. About the only option you have is to first assign the desired channels in the Routing, User In screen. There you can set the taps to pre or post. Then assign the User Inputs to the AES50 outputs 33-48.

      • May 7, 2020
    • phil_herington
      phil_herington

      Thanks so much @Paul_Vannatto  and @GeorgeDougherty! That worked perfectly! So easy, I love the WING.


      The only problem is that I'm probably going to have to do that for pretty much all my muscisians on stage... Oh well, it's easy enough to do super quickly, so I can't complain too much at all.


      Thanks for all the help.

      • May 14, 2020
  • hhoyt
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-15

    Any clues here?  This has ruined our use for remote broadcasting...is it reconfigurable via PC for mono or stereo?

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  • noiseuk
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-11-27

    Hi, I wonder if anyone can tell me if the Wing can use all 24 faders for DAW control or just 8 like the X32. I've scoured the internet but all the info seems very vague. Could someone from Behringer clear this up?

    I have 2 rooms that the Wing would be ideal for if it has full HUI - an amazing amount of features for the price!

    Thanks

    Phil

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    • noiseuk
      noiseuk

      Just had this response from Behringer


      "The WING USB interface will provide three MIDI interfaces to the host PC, in order to emulate a MCU plus 2 Extenders for example. So yes, all 24 faders can be used for DAW control in addition to the Custom Controls and the big jog wheel.
      The exact MIDI implementation is just being defined and will be implemented in the coming months."


      Excellent news!

      • November 27, 2019
    • noiseuk
      Neochord

      ...24 fader for DAW Control....that's some pretty good news .


      I would like to know in detail what the Fader-resolution  will be (1024 steps or more?)...and wich motorfader will be installed in the Wing (Alps?)


      Greetings

      • December 3, 2019
    • noiseuk
      noiseuk

      Just seen a Behringer video which says the faders are not touch sensitive but 'motion' sensitive. Thats a massive disappointment. It reminds me of the horror that was 02r automation. I think that will rule this desk out for most of us in the post production world who use fader moves a lot.

      • December 5, 2019
    • noiseuk
      Gussss

      Its nots disappointing in fact pressure-sensitive fader might actually be better than touch-sensitive faders- in effect whether it detects pressure or touch will make little difference in actual use (you probably wont be able to tell the difference) and it might actually be more reliable that a touch fader. Well have to try it out and see

      • February 1, 2020
    • noiseuk
      noiseuk

      I'd love to see an in depth review of the Wing as a control surface.


      Certainly in my work I rely on resting a finger on top of a fader to overwrite automation as much as I do actually moving it. I'm not convinced motion sensitive faders which are what Behringer seem to suggest are on the Wing will be ok for that.


      A very long time ago I used to use a Yamaha 02R to mix TV shows - that had motion/pressure sensitive faders and was a real pain for fast turn around TV mixing (although we didn't realise that until we upgraded to Avid desks with touch faders). Maybe the Wing has some super new fader tech that will work seamlessly - I hope so because it seems to have everything else I need.


      If anyone has actually got the Wing and could comment on the fader automation it'd be much appreciated.


       


       

      • February 9, 2020
  • Chuckeys88
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-13

    Hey Guys, New problem for me and probably old for many othere here. I've got (6) mic channels all assigned to a DCA and none of the faders on these channels or the DCA fader will controll levels. All mic signals go straight to the  LR Mains. All other channel seem to work properly. It also appears as though the 3 effects are doing the same thing.

    All of my Buss or Aux sends 1-12 are used for IEMs. Everything there seems to be controlled by the set levels when using Sends on Fader but...reverb still shows up in all the IEMs with those effect faders down in the SOF mode.

    Can anyone help out please? Got a church servive here in a few hours...Thanks!

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    • Chuckeys88
      RexBeckett

      @Chuckeys88 


      It could be caused by one or more of your Monitor Mixbuses getting fed to Main LR. Check on each Mixbus's Main tab if the LR button is on. If so, turn it off.


       


      It also sounds as though the FX Return to Monitor bus sends may be set to one of the pre-fader signal taps instead of Post Fader.

      • May 13, 2020
    • Chuckeys88
      Chuckeys88

      Much appreciated!

      • May 13, 2020
    • Chuckeys88
      RexBeckett


      @Chuckeys88 wrote:


      Much appreciated!





      @Chuckeys88 


      If you cannot find the problem(s), export your scene (Scenes -> Utility) and attach it to your post (see Choose File button below) so we can check it for you.

      • May 13, 2020
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