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  • lenfinalt
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-05-26

    Hello,

    I wanted to submit a feature request or hear any thoughts about it. I wondered about that a long time ago: Why must the mute button be only on/off with no fade time? If you unmuted a channel half a second too late, the audience would definitely hear it because of the hard cut. But if channels would be able to unmute and mute with a fade time of for example 300ms or lower, the change would be a lot smoother. Maybe this could be useful in live situations.

    I would be happy to hear any thoughts on that and/or why this is such a bad idea

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    • lenfinalt
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Lennart @lenfinalt ,


      Welcome to the forum. Your idea is not a bad idea, but is currently not practical. The reason is that the current control protocol for the Wing is not time based, similar to the OSC protocol of the X32/M32 and X-Air/M-Air. That is why I provided the fade, cross-fade, etc. tidbit commands with Live Toolbox. This is being ported to the Wing platform. Because the Wing control protocol is very different, it will take some time before it is ready for release. If you are inclined and capable to program in C, Patrick @PatrickGMaillot has developed a C library for the Wing called Wapi


       

      • May 26, 2020
    • lenfinalt
      PatrickGMaillot

      Hello,


       


      As Paul mentioned there are some limitations due to the non-time based aspect of most functions available in WING and other consoles such as OSC based X32, M32, etc.


      With WING, a delay on functions such as MUTE would have to 1) take place within the console FW itself and this has an impact on the computing actions in the console and the Behringer programmers cannot think of all the exotic things some users may want to do at some point with using their console, or 2) take place using an external application IF there's a way to separate surface controls from the actual actions available in the console.


      For example you would declare that the MUTE button doesn't have its native audio processing function, but is simply generating a 'surface control' code that an application can catch and act upon. The app is then very simple to write.


      Behringer has not developed this for X32, leaving the X32 surface controls always linked to internal/audio processing. WING so far is in the same situation. I hope this situation changes in the future and a real, opened, surface control mode becomes available. But this may take time, if it happens one day.


      -Patrick

      • May 26, 2020
    • lenfinalt
      lenfinalt

      @Paul_Vannatto Thank you, I will have a look at Wapi. This looks very interesting to me!


      @PatrickGMaillot Okay, this makes sense to me. Then the possibility to separate the control surface from the internal processing or hook on specific actions would be great. Maybe there will be an option for people who want to tweak their console a bit in the future.


      I would like to thank both of you for the detailed answers! Have a great evening.

      • May 26, 2020
  • andyp13
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-26

    Does the data wheel on the Wing do anything? or is there a problem with my desk?

     

     

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    • andyp13
      Paul_Vannatto


      @andyp13 wrote:


      Does the data wheel on the Wing do anything? or is there a problem with my desk?





      No problem with your desk. It currently has very little functionality, but will be used much more in the next firmware release.


       

      • May 25, 2020
    • andyp13
      mfk1312

      Hi Paul,


      Is there any offical estimation for the next release?


       


      regards

      • May 26, 2020
  • GaryHiggins
    Superhero - Level 1
    2020-05-26

    Was looking for something else and noted a new firmware version for the DP48,

     

    New Features 1.3

    • 2 separate stereo reverb processors for separation between Mix A and B

    • Stereo mode for assigning and editing two channels of a Group at the same time (long press)

    • Reverb sends are now post-fader separately for Mix A/B

    • New idle screen with Group names and pre-fader metering overview

    • Quick Group renaming by selecting from a list of common names (long press on idle screen)

    • MIX A/MIX B ‘Meter Screen’ same as idle screen but showing A/B post-fader levels

    • Talkback function using the internal microphones in conjunction with HUB4

    • Talkback signal will be exchanged between all DP48 mixers and M32 consoles via CH48

    • Automatic configuration if Talkback is active:

    o Add CH48 to assignment of Group 12 o Rename Group 12 to ‘Talkback’
    o Activate ‘MIC +20dB’ in Setup

    Configure Talkback in Setup, press and hold MIC button to speak

     

    Improvements

    • FX return default value set to -10 dB

    • ID and enumeration bugs in remote operation fixed

    • Master units update local preset copy when a X32 broadcast message is received

    • Remote function: group names are sent to remote unit

    • Group PAN had no effect when the group was assigned to a MIX as MY-Group

    • Work on local preset when the remote ID is master

    • Better AES50 error management and faster recovery

    • DP48 on HUB4 master port for remote control

    • Missing X32 messages improved

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    • GaryHiggins
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Gary @GaryHiggins 


      Yes this was released a few days ago. Lots of neat new features. The new idle screen means I no longer have to print off strips to label the groups for each band.


       

      • May 25, 2020
  • PatrikBouldin
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-25

    Hi, is there a published or otherwise known distance limit to connect the XR-18 to a Windows computer, via USB? I need 20' ideally, and is there a recommended cable for that distance or will an extender work?

    Thanks,

    Patrik

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    • PatrikBouldin
      LuukvanKuipers

      According to USB.org, USB operating specifications limit the maximum length of the cable to 5 meters for full speed devices and 3 meters for any low speed devices. 5 meters is around 16 feet 5 inches, and 3 meters is around 9 feet 10 inches. A X18 USB is low speed I guess.

      • May 25, 2020
    • PatrikBouldin
      PatrikBouldin

      Many thanks, I'm just wondering what max folks have experienced with PC to XR18 with the USB, annecdotally speaking. Especially now if you're saying it's a lower speed, that will help.

      • May 25, 2020
  • ChrisOjeda
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-25

    I am trying to update my firmware to 4.0 on my X32 Rack and the USB reader will not show any files when I plug my USB sticks into it. I have a FAT32 formatted stick with the firmware on it. HELP?!

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  • eastfrequencies
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2020-05-25

    Hello! I am trying to update my M32R LIVE! But every time I do it is saying something about the firmware's legacy "integrity". how do I fix this?

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    • eastfrequencies
      RexBeckett

      Hello @eastfrequencies , welcome to the community.


       


      How are you trying the update the firmware? Are you doing it directly on the console? If so, the firmware file must be in the USB drive's root folder with no other firmware files present (although they can be in a second-level folder).

      • May 24, 2020
    • eastfrequencies
      GaryHiggins

      Since version 4.0, if you load from a usb stick (with the mixer already on) you can have more than 1 firmware file in the root directory. Lets you pick and choose and change from old to new and back again if you want without a lot of fanfare...I would suggest downloading the firmware file again, expand the file and make sure you copy the correct file (the dcp_corefs part). The X32 uses the same firmware file so you can also try that version, it will work. These mixers are resilient so try again, your current file could have become corrupt somehow.

      • May 24, 2020
  • rwprigge777
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-24

    Hey guys, I'm hoping you can help give me some guidance on setting this up. I want to setup two consoles, an x32 and Wing on our system for the purposes of having two separate mixes for the house and livestream. The Wing will be for the house mix and the x32 for the livestream mix. My goal is to have both consoles taking inputs from an s32 via aes network. I currently have the Wing setup already with the s32. I also have an s16 in cascade with the s32 to give me a couple extra outputs on my stage rack. I am not using any inputs on the s16 currently. To be clear, the Wing, s32, and s16 are already setup successfully and working great. It's the x32 that I now want to add to the system for a separate livestream mix.

     

    Both consoles will be in close proximity to each other at the FOH booth. I was thinking all I should need to do is to take an ethercon from AES B (wing) to AES A (x32). Will this work? Again, my goal is to be able to take the inputs from the s32 on both consoles to make two separate mixes. 

     

    My other question then, is, where can I route my livestream mix coming off the x32? Can I route a stereo output to the s16 where I have 4 outputs (21-24) physically open currently (the Wing has outputs routed to 1 thru 20)? Or since the x32 only supports 16 outputs, do I have to have my x32 (livestream mix) coming out of 1 thru 16 on the s32? I would like to route the outputs to the stage rack 1 thru 24 vs an auxiliary local output on the x32 because of closer proximity between our livestream equipment and the stage rack.

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    • rwprigge777
      CraigFowler

      Yes you can do all that.


      The livestream console can receive a total of 48 signals over a single AES50 connection from the Wing (though only 32 of those signals can be mapped to channels with full processing, and a further 6 signals mapped to the aux channels with limited processing.)


       


      You can then send the output from the livestream console back to the Wing, and the Wing can pass it back to the stagebox outputs.

      • May 24, 2020
    • rwprigge777
      rwprigge777

      @CraigFowler 


      Thanks for the response. That's good to hear I'm at least on the right track. One question I have is related to how AES connections between consoles works. Will it be ok to connect AES B on the wing to AES A on the x32? The reason I ask is, the x32's AES B port might be broken.

      • May 26, 2020
    • rwprigge777
      CraigFowler

      Yes, that will be fine.  It's the stageboxes where you have to worry about using the A\B sockets, as on some stageboxes the B socket is only meant for daisy-chainging other stageboxes, and on some stageboxes only the A socket can get signals to physical outputs.


       


      However with the consoles themselves the A\B sockets are essentially interchangable.  You just have to set your console's routing tables to look at the correct socket accordingly.

      • May 26, 2020
    • rwprigge777
      rwprigge777

      @CraigFowler 


      I'm only really experienced routing on the Wing and haven't done much routing on the x32, so excuse my novice question, but it seems like what you're saying is: 


      I'll setup the routing on the x32 to look at the 32 inputs on AES A. And setup my 16 outputs to also go out on AES A. Then it's up to the routing on the Wing to take the x32's 16 outputs (coming in on AES B) and route those to any of the 24 outputs I have in my stage rack (s32+s16). Am I thinking right?

      • May 26, 2020
  • DwayneAasberg
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-24

    Hello all.

    Question about M32 Edit (Windows).

    On the Sends tab of an input channel there is a 'power' symbol for each mix bus under the bus' name label.  By 'power' symbol I mean a blue circle with a vertical cross line at 12 o'clock.  The same symbol appears on the Sends tab of a mix bus once for each matrix bus.  What does this button do?

    Thx.  Dwayne A

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    • DwayneAasberg
      DaveMorrison

      @DwayneAasberg 


      It's an on/off switch just like you described. A quick way to mute that send. It's especially useful for busses that are set up to be SubGroups since there are no faders for these. It's like the bus assign buttons on an analog console.

      • May 24, 2020
    • DwayneAasberg
      CraigFowler

      As above.  It can quickly assign\unassign a channel from a bus (or a bus from a matrix.)


      It's especially useful for ensuring you don't send fx return channels back to the sends the created them, thus avoiding a feedback loop if you accidentally push faders up.  It's also good for ensuring that your click\cue tracks go only to IEM buses and not wedges.

      • May 24, 2020
  • TroyHornbrook
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-24
     

    Hi All,

    I suspect there are some folks here using XR or MR series mixers as a sub mixer, or with the need to only connect one display device reliably.

     

    So FYI to whoever is interested: you can directly connect the XAir app on iPad via ethernet to XR12. The XR16 and XR18 should work the same way.  Here's how I do it:

    I use apple's USB3 camera connection kit with lightning power, and the tried and true MC704LL/a Apple USB2 to Ethernet adapter.

    The lightning power cord charges the ipad but does not power the Ethernet Adapter, so I need to use a USB2 Powered Hub with it's own power supply in between the Camera Connection Kit and the Ethernet adapter to get the Ethernet adapter powered properly.

    So, it's a mess of cables and devices, but it works like a charm. You may consider getting an extension lightning cable to run to your iPad, so all the junk (adaptors, power supplies, USB Hub, etc.) can go into a neat little box or zipper bag sitting near the XR (or in a rack drawer if the XR is racked).

    Here are Some additional notes on direct connection of iPad to XR:

     

    My iPad Ethernet connection is set to "Manual" as follows:  IP Address 192.168.1.2; Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0; Router 192.168.1.1

     

    In order to connect the iPad directly to XR without a router, you need to connect the iPad wirelessly via XR Access Point first, then flip the switch on the XR to Ethernet once connected by Access Point.  The XR will find the Ethenet connection automatically.  Once it does, you then switch to airplane mode on the iPad.

     

    You will now be good to go for your gig/session without wi-fi flakiness.  I often leave my mixer on all week, and the connection is there waiting for me when I return.  Even if you use the home button to exit or switch apps, the connection will remain in place.  

     

    However, once you "hard close" the XR app on the iPad (or if it aborts), you will need to take the ipad out of airplane mode, and flip the switch on the XR to "Access Point" in order to connect to the XR again.

     

    Also, the powered camera connection kit has a lightning connecter so you need a lightning equipped iPad for this setup to work.

     

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  • js415harmon
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-24

    Hello all, I am new here. I have been using the x32 for a few years. Love the board and software. Recently, we have begun to live stream so I split our board. I copied channels 1-16 to 17-32 so I could mix a separate feed for streaming. I wanted complete control from the gain down. Is it possible to adjust these separately? Can I implement the HA gain split without an external mixer? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. 

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    • js415harmon
      RexBeckett

      @js415harmon 


      Hello Jamie, welcome to the community.


       


      When you use an input on two or more channels, there can only be one setting for the preamp gain - shared by all the connected channels. If you enable the HA Gain Split option, the preamp gain must be set on the Setup -> Preamps tab but each channel has a separate +/- 18dB Trim control.


       


      In practice there is really only one correct setting for a preamp gain. If this is set correctly, the channel faders and send controls should be sufficient to control all mixes.

      • May 24, 2020
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