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  • PilotMan
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-02

    Same post wiht files - We had scene files backed up on a laptop from our initial installation set ups of bands.   The original X 32 was damaged in a lightning storm. We replaced it with a new unit and try to import the scene files back into the X32.  There must be some difference between the files because 90% of our settings are not showing up on the board anymore. We did check to make sure that the safes were off.  Anyone have any idea of a way to modify the files in text edit to make them workable on newer firmware? 

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  • PilotMan
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-02

    Here's the jist of it. We had scene files backed up on a laptop from our additional set ups of bands.  The original X 32 was damaged in a lightning storm. We replaced it with a new unit and try to import the scene files back into the X32.  There must be some difference between the files because 90% of our settings are not showing up on the board anymore. We did check to make sure that the safes were off.  Any buddy have any idea of a way to modify the files in text edit to make them workable on new firmware?  Im sure Behringer knows how to fix this but they are no where to be found and do not resopnd to emails. 

    Can't even begin to express how frustrated I am right now. As a professional integrator for many years we have designed a lot of systems that work well with facility control systems and bars and restaurants. We integrated x32 into many projects and now have NO support when we run into problems in the feild that need to be solved immediately. 

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  • MaryM_Gill
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-02

    I sent a .scn file to a friend via email.  When he tries to load it, it says he needs permission.  I have never come across this before.  Any ideas or explanations?  I sent it as an attachment from my Surface Pro desktop and not from a cloud sharing program.  

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  • NormMast
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    Just curious about this.If I make changes in my loaded scene, such as routing settings or other changes. Does this affect ONLY that scene, or will other scenes also be affected? My hunch is only that scene, until I load that scene and save it to another scene, then it would apply to the other scene as well.Make sense?

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    • NormMast
      DaveMorrison

      @NormMast  Which product are you using?


      If you are talking about the XM32 mixers, this is usually true. Some settings can affect this though. 


       

      • June 1, 2019
    • NormMast
      Paul_Vannatto


      @NormMast wrote:


      Just curious about this.If I make changes in my loaded scene, such as routing settings or other changes. Does this affect ONLY that scene, or will other scenes also be affected? My hunch is only that scene, until I load that scene and save it to another scene, then it would apply to the other scene as well.Make sense?





      If you make changes and not save to a scene, it will not affect that scene or any other saved scene. If you have specific routing changes that you want to apply to all of your scenes, there are a number of ways to do that. Just let me know and I'll help you through it.


       

      • June 1, 2019
  • kinetic
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    Very happy to see Dimension D as an effect but it only is available as a side chain effect (unless I am mistaken).

    I thought the main use of the Dimension D was to process a signal fully wet.  Currently I want to process our singer's voice for one song through the Dimension D fully wet but I can't seem to find a way to do it.  I can imagine that at some stage in the future I will want to process guitars and keyboards the same way, both on stage and also in the studio (going into CuBase via the X32 USB card).

    Can anyone help?

    If Behringer is listening it would be very beneficial if this effect was available as a normal insert effect

    Thanks

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    • kinetic
      RexBeckett

      @kinetic 


      Hi Keith,


       


      The Dimensional Chorus FX does not have a wet/dry Mix control so is not suitable for use as an insert. You would not normally want to run it 100% Wet - unless it was in a bus pair with a parallel dry signal path (no obvious advantage over normal send/return usage).


       


      It doesn't appear in the list of insert-only processors for FX 5-8 as its computational requirements exceed the resources of those slots. 


       


      You could use X32 Snippets to switch the sends to a single FX side-chain slot so you could deploy the chorus for different sources during a gig.

      • May 31, 2019
    • kinetic
      kinetic

      Thanks Rex.  From my old studio days I remember we used to process (as an example) a guitar through a Dimension D.  We would always only want the processed sound (none of the original unprocessed signals at all).  But the real issue here is that one of the real benefits of the Dimension D was it's stereo field.  Processing a mono signal through the Dimension D on a channel on the X32 only results in a processede mono signal, so you can't get that fantastic stereo spread effect.  Since I've only had my X32 Producer for about a week I'm still on a fairly steep learning curve - perhaps there is a way to route the vocal signal to a stereo bus and then put the Dimension D as an insert on that stereo bus and then route that out to the main outs?  But of someone can help here that would be appreciated.


      I'm pleased though that you mentioned snippets - scenes and snippets is an area that I am learning about now and perhaps I should start a new thread about this.  But I was hoping to be able to turn effect on and off live at a gig.  It seems that the only way you can do this remotely is via a midi switcher, but I am wondering how hard or involved it is to do it manually from the desk during the show (and how quickly does the desk react to the change - ie is the much delay between swirching an effect on or off via a snippet?)


      Thaks for your response Rex

      • May 31, 2019
    • kinetic
      RexBeckett


      @kinetic wrote:


      Thanks Rex.  From my old studio days I remember we used to process (as an example) a guitar through a Dimension D.  We would always only want the processed sound (none of the original unprocessed signals at all).  But the real issue here is that one of the real benefits of the Dimension D was it's stereo field.  Processing a mono signal through the Dimension D on a channel on the X32 only results in a processede mono signal, so you can't get that fantastic stereo spread effect.  Since I've only had my X32 Producer for about a week I'm still on a fairly steep learning curve - perhaps there is a way to route the vocal signal to a stereo bus and then put the Dimension D as an insert on that stereo bus and then route that out to the main outs?  But of someone can help here that would be appreciated.


      I'm pleased though that you mentioned snippets - scenes and snippets is an area that I am learning about now and perhaps I should start a new thread about this.  But I was hoping to be able to turn effect on and off live at a gig.  It seems that the only way you can do this remotely is via a midi switcher, but I am wondering how hard or involved it is to do it manually from the desk during the show (and how quickly does the desk react to the change - ie is the much delay between swirching an effect on or off via a snippet?)


      Thaks for your response Rex





      @kinetic


      Hi Keith, FX Send buses are always mono but the Dimensional Chorus, like most X32 effects, has a stereo return output. Check the processor's STEREO switch.


       


      You could insert the Dimension into a bus/pair using one of the FX1 - 4 slots. I've never had occasion to try this but maybe it will give you what you want. I use it in normal send/return mode and like the subtle sound. If you want 100% wet, you would need to remove the original channel from the Main LR mix and assign the bus pair to Main.


       


      Snippets are mini versions of scenes. If they are only changing a few parameters, they are almost instant. They are commonly used for changing settings during live performance and do this very well.


       


       


       

      • May 31, 2019
    • kinetic
      kinetic

      Yes, sorry Rex I was getting myself confused re the side-chain FX return, which is of course stereo.


      Thanks for your comments re the Snippets - back to the manual and YouTube!

      • May 31, 2019
  • kozmosound
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    I am attempting to use an M32r at FOH and an X32 as a stage box. I get everything to connect.  All the green boxes are showing.  However, all I can seem to achieve is for the VU meters on the M32r to show what is on the X32 and nothing more.  If I change the name of a track on the X32 it doesnt effect the M32r.  If i adjust the fader on the X32 it doesnt effect the M32r.  Or vice versa.  Any insight into this and what I may be missing would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 

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    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett

      @kozmosound 


      Hi Kozmo, welcome to the community.


      It sounds like a problem with configuration or routing. Usually you would route all the local inputs on the X32 (stagebox) to AES50-A and connect this to the FOH AES50-A. Then set the FOH Inputs routing to the same AES50-A blocks to get the inputs from the X32.


      The X32 pre-amp gains affect the signal going to the FOH but the X32 channel controls would normally only be used for local monitor mixes.


       


      If you explain how you would like your system to work and where you want to connect the inputs and outputs, we can help you with the configuration. 

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      kozmosound

      Sik thank you for the quick response.  I would like:

      - M32r at FOH

      - X32 on stage.

      - All my inputs go into X32

      - All my outputs come from X32

      - I stand at M32 and twiddle knobs and it comes out the X32.

      - Also would like a stereo pair of outputs at least for a feed for this stream that is happening. 

      Both are firmware 3.11.  Currently connected M32r out of AES50A and into AES50A of X32.  I have a QSC chillin that I am using to listen to.  Stereo input into 1/2 of the X32 and out of where I want it to go (output 1/2 via matrix).  Essentially, my M32r is a glorified VU meter.  I can see all the levels that are on the X32 on my M32r.  But once I start moving faders, labeling channel strips, etc. neither effects the other.

      Hope this makes sense.  I am on stand by for your response while I smoke more doobs and watch more youtube tutorials. 

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett


      @kozmosound wrote:


      Sik thank you for the quick response.  I would like:

      - M32r at FOH

      - X32 on stage.

      - All my inputs go into X32

      - All my outputs come from X32

      - I stand at M32 and twiddle knobs and it comes out the X32.

      - Also would like a stereo pair of outputs at least for a feed for this stream that is happening. 

      Both are firmware 3.11.  Currently connected M32r out of AES50A and into AES50A of X32.  I have a QSC chillin that I am using to listen to.  Stereo input into 1/2 of the X32 and out of where I want it to go (output 1/2 via matrix).  Essentially, my M32r is a glorified VU meter.  I can see all the levels that are on the X32 on my M32r.  But once I start moving faders, labeling channel strips, etc. neither effects the other.

      Hope this makes sense.  I am on stand by for your response while I smoke more doobs and watch more youtube tutorials. 





      @kozmosound 


      On the X32, set the routing like this:


      X32 I.PNGX32 O.PNG


      On the M32R, set the routing like this:


      M32 I.PNGM32 O.PNG


      You also need to define your outputs 1-16. That would be something like this:


      M32 O 1-16.PNG


      You need to adjust this to suit your mix and possibly provide your local stereo outputs to XLR or Aux.


       


      It is probably easiest if you use the M32R Aux channels for the local inputs. These could still be through the local XLR inputs if required.


       


      If you want to be able to control the X32 pre-amps from the M32, open the X32 Setup -> Preamps page and check HA Remote AES50 Port A.


       


      Channel strip labels are local to each mixer so will not be reflected on the other device.

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      kozmosound

      Awesome, I got it to work. It seems that I was missing the AES50a routed to AES50b on the Midas.  I dont understand why this AES50b is routed at all since Im not using that port on either device.  Also which unit should be "synchornized" to AES50A technically?  I swapped and have tried with one on AES50a sync and one on internal and vice versa and it seems to lead to the same result.  

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett


      @kozmosound wrote:


      Awesome, I got it to work. It seems that I was missing the AES50a routed to AES50b on the Midas.  I dont understand why this AES50b is routed at all since Im not using that port on either device.  Also which unit should be "synchornized" to AES50A technically?  I swapped and have tried with one on AES50a sync and one on internal and vice versa and it seems to lead to the same result.  





      @kozmosound 


      I'm happy to hear it is working but it cannot be due to the AES50-B routing. That is redundant in your configuration.


       


      I would run the X32 with Internal synchronization and set to M32R to AES50 A. 


       

      • May 31, 2019
  • sounddesigner
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-05-31

    So I am using an X32 Compact with an SD8 stage box and trying to send outputs 1-8 to separate MixBuses (separate from what MixBuses 1-8, which are assigned to the outputs of the X32.)

    I have them connected via AES50a. Getting the inputs setup was very straight forward, and already patched by default. I have my X32 XLR inputs as channels 1-16, and the SD8 is 17-24. I was even able to assign some of the faders in the first bank to A01, A02, etc. Very simple and intuitive.

    However, I'm having difficulty assigning the SD8's outputs to separate MixBuses. Assigning different outputs for MixBuses doesn't appear to be as straight forward. For instance, I thought it would be as easy as just selecting MixBus 9 and assigning it to SD8 output 1.

    By default, it appears the SD8 is assigned to mirror the XLR outputs of the X32 Compact (1-8). I need to keep those separate. When I send to MixBus 1, it sends to both the XLR output of the X32 and Output 1 of the SD8.

    Via the AES50a tab, I tried assigning AES50a (Outputs 1-8) to Out 9-16. I've tried flipping the switch on the SD8 between the different modes; 1-8 and 9-16, but nothing appears to work. 

    The "Out 1-16" tab is straight forward, you choose an Analog Output and you choose a category/output signal (here I would choose MixBus). However, it only gives Analog Output as an option (no AES50 in the list)... 9-16 on that page has an asterisk next to each channel and they are all assigned to the MixBuses accordingly. Output 9 to Mixbus 9, etc.

    Is there a way for me to assign, for instance, Output 1 of the SD8 to MixBus 9 and so on? And have Outputs 1-8 of the board remain separate on MixBuses 1-8? Am I overlooking something obvious?

    Thanks in advance

     

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    • sounddesigner
      DaveMorrison

      @sounddesigner 


      Output 1-16 is not an analog output. It's an intermediate stage. After your outputs are staged on Output 1-16, then you can assign those to the XLR out (Mixer) and/or AES50 (stagebox).

      • May 31, 2019
    • sounddesigner
      sounddesigner

      Hi Dave,


       


      Thanks for the quick response. So is it a misnomer in the X32? Or does that subheading change when something else is done? It says "Analog Outputs" in the left column/list for me and AES50 is not a choice there. How do I get that to change?

      • May 31, 2019
    • sounddesigner
      Paul_Vannatto


      @sounddesigner wrote:


      Hi Dave,


      Thanks for the quick response. So is it a misnomer in the X32? Or does that subheading change when something else is done? It says "Analog Outputs" in the left column/list for me and AES50 is not a choice there. How do I get that to change?





      What Dave meant to say was that Outputs 1-16 screen was not directly connected to physical analog outputs (it use to be). Rather it is one of the staging areas where individual signals can be assigned to virtual outputs in order to make up banks of 8. These banks can then be assigned to the screens that are directly attached to physical outputs, such as the Card Out, AES50 (A and B) and XLR Out (banks of 4). The latter (XLR Out) is directly connected to the XLR-M jacks on the back of the console.


       

      • May 31, 2019
    • sounddesigner
      sounddesigner

      Hi Paul,


       


      Thank you. And I aologize for my confusion.


      So I see on the 'Out 1-16' tab, Output 9-16 have asterisks next to them, saying, "the outputs are currently not connected to any physical output connector on this device. Please check the 'xlr out' routing tab."


      However, when I go to the 'xlr out' tab, I only see two lists, Outputs 1-4 and Outputs 5-8. So it's just showing the xlr connections on the back of the board. 9-16 is not on that tab.


      Am I misunderstanding all of this? And is it that I can't assign 9-16 as separate outputs? And I have to repurpose a patch of 4 of my outputs from the board? As in, I can only have 8 total (combination of board and SD8)?

      • June 1, 2019
    • sounddesigner
      DaveMorrison

      @sounddesigner The asterisks are reminders that the board doesn't have physical outputs. Go ahead an assign what ever you want on 9-16. Then Go to the AES50 A/B tab. Go to the OUT 9-16 heading (source) and set it for AES A 1-8 (output). I presume this is where you want it. This will put that block of signal on the AES50-A port on channel 1-8. 

      • June 1, 2019
  • rasandler
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-05-31

    Hello - i just got an X2442usb, mainly for live sound.  at one of the places we play frequently, i would like to put the mixer about 50 or 60 feet away from the stage so i am thinking about buying a good snake to keep things clean.  my concern is how to connect the monitors.  some snakes have xlr returns and some have trs returns.  the mixer has xlr outputs for the mains and also balanced trs outputs for the main mix that i could use for the monitors.  however, if i wanted to use a sub group or channel output for a monitor, those are unbalanced ts jacks so distance becomes a consideration. 

    any suggestions on how best to handle this???

     

    thanks! 

     

    -Richard

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    • rasandler
      RexBeckett

      @rasandler 


      Hi Richard,


      It isn't ideal to run unbalanced audio over long cables although it can work fine at line-level. The biggest risk is getting ground-loop noise (hum/buzz). If this is a problem, you could use line-level audio transformers to balance and isolate the outputs. 


      Something like Jensen GLX would be suitable.

      • May 31, 2019
  • DwayneAasberg
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2019-05-30

    I think I'm missing something fundamental.  I am planning installation of an M32 at our church and reading the (abreviated) Midas documentation.

    What's the difference between faders 1-16 on layer 4 of the left fader bank (16 bus master channels) and faders 1-8 on layers 3 and 4 of the right fader bank (bus 1-8 or bus 9-16)?

    Aren't these the same things?

    What am I missing?

    Thx.  Dwayne A 

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  • KevinLacy
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-05-30

    Hello folks

    I am experiencing an odd behavior with a unique setup with my X32 Core and M32R. I am doing a redundant 32 Channel Record with 2 laptops (1 laptop connected to the Card Out of the X32 Core and 1 connected to the Card Out of the M32R) as follows…

    DL32 ---> M32R AES50-A (This gets my sources from the stage into the M32R for mixing the live show)

    M32R AES50-B ---> X32 Core AES50-A (This gets the audio from the M32R(picking off the DL32 Head Amps) into the X32 Core)

    On the AES50-B Tab of the Routing Page on the M32R, I have set Outputs 1-32 to AES50-A 1-32 effectively passing through the 32 Head Amps of the DL32 through the M32R onto the X32 Core. It all works as expected and I can record multitrack on both laptops just fine but the problem is, when I recall a scene on the X32 Core, the Routing of the AES50-B Outputs on the M32R change to Out 9-16 on every single block and I have to go back to the M32R and manually change them back to AES50-A 1-8, 9-16, 17-24, 25-32 in order to get everything working again.

    I don’t understand why recalling a scene on the X32 Core (which is only connected via AES50) would change the output routing of the M32R.

    I’ve tried Parameter safeing and a few other things but nothing seems to stop this behavior.

    Does anyone here have any idea why this is happening and what I can do to prevent it?

    Thanks in advance for your helpful replies

    Kevin

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    • KevinLacy
      GaryHiggins

      Hi Kevin, @KevinLacey wondering how you have the sync set up? Is the Core sync internal and the M32r sync aes50B? Or is the M32R sync internal? You might try switching them. It makes some sense to me that the Core may change the M32 if the aes50a out of the Core is not set to what you need on the M32-since it's a 2 way street.  A thought would be to try sending aes50a 1-48 from the Core aes50a out 1-48 essentially sending back out what it received, or maybe set aes50a out 1-48 to all local since the Core doesn't have any local. Or maybe send aes50b 1-48 from the Core since it recieves nothing from there. Just some suggestions.  Do you have the M32 set for safed routing i/o?

      • June 8, 2019
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