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  • rickschwar
    Regular Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-13

    After seeing a video of someone remixing a multitrack recording on a WING console, I wanted to try it myself. They used Reaper software and a computer as the playback source however, this isn't needed because WING can playback 32-channels from a single Micro-SD Card. I quickly learned it wasn't obvious how to get downloaded WAV files to play using WING-LIVE. However, once you learn a few tricks, it’s fairly easy. I've attempted to create step-by-step instructions on how this can be done however, there are other ways to do this. 

    Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7nk1lKq_Dw

     

    Getting Ready

    1. Start by downloading the ‘X32Wav_Xlive’ app here:  https://sites.google.com/site/patrickmaillot/docs/X32Wav_Xlive.zip?attredirects=0

    - It's free for non-commercial users.

    - I've included the link to the Windows version, a version of this app is available for Mac users as well. Make sure to read the reply from Patrick, who is the creator of the app below. There is some great info there. He includes a download link for other platforms. If I had done this first, it would have saved me many hours of frustration. I had read about this app but assumed it only worked with a Behringer X32 console. That's not true. 

    2. Next, extract the ‘X32Wav_Xlive’ zip file to your desktop.

    3. Now, download a few multitrack files that you want to remix. Google Search is helpful in this area, however, you might want to read the section below about ‘Legal Issues’ first.

     

    Prepping the Files

    1. All files must be WAV file format. If you download FLAC files, you’ll need to convert them.
    2. All files MUST also be 24-bit. All of the files I have downloaded have been 16-bit, so I've had to convert them. I did this using Audacity as follows.
      1. Open the file in Audacity
      2. Select ‘Export as WAV’ from the File menu
      3. Choose ‘WAV (Microsoft) signed 24-bit PCM’ from the drop down
      4. Save the exported file to a new folder
    3. You’ll also have to convert any stereo files to mono using the sound editor of your choice.
    4. If your multitrack folder contains more than 32 files after you convert everything to mono, you may have to select the best ones, because you can only play 32 channels from a single card.
    5. Now you need to rename each of the files starting with ‘ch_1’ and ending with ‘ch_32.’
      • It’s OK if your song has less than 32 tracks.
      • Before doing this, I recommend that you first make a copy of the folder, take a screen capture of the file names and print it out the it so you can number the files in the order you want them to appear on the console. Also note which tracks are stereo and mono.

     

    Converting Individual Files to a Multitrack file

    1. Open the ‘X32Wav_Xlive’ folder and run the ‘X32Wav_Xlive’ application.
    2. Click on ‘Session Directory’ and select the folder where you placed all of your 24-bit prepped multitrack files.
    3. Enter a Session Name. This will appear on the WING console.
    4. Click on the MERGE button and wait patiently. Although normally it only takes a few seconds, once it took several minutes and the app said say 'Not Responding.' Do not restart your computer.  
    5. More often than not, you will get an error message after trying to merge your files. If it says ‘files are not the same length,’ you’ll have to load all of your files into a DAW and select a new region that ends a little before the end of the files. Then you’ll need to export each file again. I’ve had this happen when all of files appear to be exactly the same length, size and duration. It’s frustrating, but must be done.
    6. When the conversion process succeeds, you will see an elapsed time indicator appear.
    7. A newly created folder will appear in the folder with your multitrack files that is named something like ‘50AD801C.’ It contains a single multitrack file and a file called ‘SE_LOG.BIN.’
    8. Copy the folder containing the newly created multitrack file into a folder called ‘X_LIVE.’ If you do not do this, the files will not be seen by WING-LIVE. You can have multiple folders in the X_LIVE folder -- each containing a different song.

     

    Configuring your WING Mixer

    For the best experience you’ll want to name your channel strips and configure your console for studio use instead of live sound mixing. If you want to do this, follow these optional steps:

    1. Touch LIBRARY and save your current SNAP, CH, FX and ROUT presents.
    2. After you are sure that you’ve backed everything up touch SETUP and INIT CONSOLE. You'll be asked to confirm that you want to do this. 
    3. Next, touch ROUTING and the OUTPUT icon in the title bar. It looks like a “C” with an arrow to the right of it. 
    4. Select the AUX OUT output group and unlock the destination, so the lock icon turns green.
    5. Touch MONITOR A (AUX 7) and select the MONITOR source group on the right.
    6. Touch MONITOR A (AUX 7) assign it to MONITOR B (2L). This is necessary because the AUX OUT 7/8 are normally routed to the headphone jacks. You want to route them to speakers.
    7. Touch MONITOR B (AUX 8) and assign it to MONITOR B (2R).
    8. Touch the VIEW button in the MONITORING/TALKBACK section.
    9. Change the OUTPUT from A (with the headphone icon) to B (with the speaker icon).
    10. Touch the SETUP (gear) icon in the MONITOR section and change SOLO MODE to STUDIO.
    11. Touch the ROUTING button and the 4-fader icon in the title bar.
    12. Select WLIVE PLAY as your SOURCE GROUP on the right and CHANNEL INPUT MAIN (or ALT) on the left. Unlock the CHANNEL INPUT section, so the lock icon turns green.
    13. Touch the +1 AUTO button so it turns yellow.
    14. Assign all of your tracks by touching LCL 1 on the left and then touching CRD 1 on the right. Next touch CRD 2 and it will automatically be assigned to Channel 2. Stop when you have assigned all of your tracks.
    15. Now, touch the A SD Card icon in the title bar.
    16. Then touch the SD CARD A title and select your desired SESSION.
    17. Press the PLAY button. Unless you changed the sample rate on your multitrack files, you’ll probably need to touch SETUP and change the CLOCK RATE to 44K1.
    18. You should see the meters move for channels 1-12
    19. Touch HOME and the SELECT button for Channel 1. Touch CUSTOMIZE to name the channel
    20. Touch OUTPUT icon on the left and adjust the PAN knob for all of your stereo channels. 

      Another approach suggested by Paul Vannatto belowis to make sure any stereo channels are odd/even during the file preparations (eg. Keys L/R to Ch 11/12). Then on the Wing, when you go to the Routing, W-Live screen, configure those inputs as stereo. Finally, assign that stereo pair inputs to a channel strip. This way there is no need to use DCA's for stereo inputs.

    21. Turn the MONITOR LEVEL knob up around half way.
    22. Turn up a few of the faders and the MASTER OUTPUT 1 fader and you should hear audio. If you do not, make sure you have connected your speakers to the AUX7 and AUX 8 outs.
    23. Start EQing the tracks and assigning effects.
    24. You may want to assign DCAs to groups of tracks like drums and keyboards. If you do this you’ll want to name the DCAs as well.

    Have fun and let me know if any of this is unclear! If you have suggestions how to improve this process, please list them below as well. 

    Legal Issues

    Popular artists like Counting Crows, Weezer, Nine Inch Nails, Peter Gabriel, and many others have had remix contests throughout the years. They provide access to full multitracks of their songs license free for remix purposes. You shouldn’t have to worry about using those tracks for personal use as long as you are not uploading your remixes to other sites, but I'm not a lawyer so always read the fine print and respect music copyrights. 

     

     

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    • rickschwar
      DickStraathof

      @rickschwar Great lay-out Rick! 
      I had give it a try the other week but i was not succesfull. With this detailed info i will try it again.

      I'll keep you posted on the results.


      DickS.

      • May 13, 2020
    • rickschwar
      PatrickGMaillot

      A small note on the X32Wav_Xlive app:


      -1- a Mac compiled version *is* available to Mac users, as a command-line version


      -2- the program works just fine under Wine on Mac or Linux.


       


      Your setup is fine, it's even more fun (for X32 and M32 users) when using X32RearAutoMate or X32XLiveAutoMate, as not only you can mix directly from the X32 or M32, but you can build great mix files this way, without using the DAW software at all when using XLive, or just as a 'tape' device (and forget that PC) with REAPER. Plus you really use all features and flexibility from the desk. When the WING FW will evolve sufficiently to offer the same level of external programing, I probably will port the AutoMate tool to WING. Your studio will then get better! There was on Facebook not too long ago multiple wave files from live concerts of "Counting Crows" and mixing with AutoMate was great fun.


       

      • May 14, 2020
    • rickschwar
      rickschwar

      Thank you for the correction Patrick. I have edited my post to make it clear a Mac version is available. If you could post a link here to the CLI version that would be helpful.


       


      It's also great to hear about some of your other apps. I'm especially interested in AutoMate tool for WING.

      • May 14, 2020
    • rickschwar
      Paul_Vannatto


      @rickschwar wrote:

      It’s a good idea to assign DCAs to stereo





      Another approach is to make sure any stereo channels are odd/even during the file preparations (eg. Keys L/R to Ch 11/12). Then on the Wing, when you go to the Routing, W-Live screen configure those inputs as stereo. Finally assign that stereo pair inputs to a channel strip. This way there is no need to use DCA's for stereo inputs.


       


      Another option to setting up the Wing on the console itself, you could use X32-Edit or M32-Edit to set things up and export to a scene file. Then use XM32 to Wing Converter app to convert that scene file to a Wing snapshot file.


       

      • May 14, 2020
  • Chuckeys88
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-13

    Hey Guys, New problem for me and probably old for many othere here. I've got (6) mic channels all assigned to a DCA and none of the faders on these channels or the DCA fader will controll levels. All mic signals go straight to the  LR Mains. All other channel seem to work properly. It also appears as though the 3 effects are doing the same thing.

    All of my Buss or Aux sends 1-12 are used for IEMs. Everything there seems to be controlled by the set levels when using Sends on Fader but...reverb still shows up in all the IEMs with those effect faders down in the SOF mode.

    Can anyone help out please? Got a church servive here in a few hours...Thanks!

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    • Chuckeys88
      RexBeckett

      @Chuckeys88 


      It could be caused by one or more of your Monitor Mixbuses getting fed to Main LR. Check on each Mixbus's Main tab if the LR button is on. If so, turn it off.


       


      It also sounds as though the FX Return to Monitor bus sends may be set to one of the pre-fader signal taps instead of Post Fader.

      • May 13, 2020
    • Chuckeys88
      Chuckeys88

      Much appreciated!

      • May 13, 2020
    • Chuckeys88
      RexBeckett


      @Chuckeys88 wrote:


      Much appreciated!





      @Chuckeys88 


      If you cannot find the problem(s), export your scene (Scenes -> Utility) and attach it to your post (see Choose File button below) so we can check it for you.

      • May 13, 2020
  • captainonion
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-12
    Hi... My mixer is coming in the mail... And I'm using it to run my ONE microphone into my ONE Peavey powered speaker. (For vocals). Can anybody tell me if the KlarkTeknik special effects move through "real time" stereo or not?? Like, If I were running TWO speakers, Right and Left, would I get any "swooshing" stereo pan with the flanger effect, or any left/right ping-pong with the reverb, or would it just come out mono??
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    • captainonion
      RexBeckett

      Hello @captainonion , welcome to the community.


       


      The effects on the QX1002USB have real stereo returns. The degree of stereo effect varies with the FX model selected. The FX engine is pretty good for a mixer of its size and price.


       


      If you plan on connecting the mixer to a WIndows PC, these notes may help.

      • May 12, 2020
    • captainonion
      captainonion @RexBeckett Hello, Hi, When you say the QX1002USB has "real stereo returns" are you talking about relaying the EFFECTS OUT back thru the stereo channels, OR do you mean the KLARK TEKNIK is completely divided Right and Left? Even while ONLY plugged in channel 1 or 2 MONO XLR/Line?
      • May 19, 2020
  • AnthonySeifert
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-12

    I have a Wing on V1.06 and cannot get the Wing to communicate between two IP routed subnets. My configuration involves (2) subnets 10.0.1.0/24 and 10.0.2.0/24. I have a Ubquiti wireless router routing between the (2) subnets addressed to 10.0.1.1 and 10.0.2.1 respectively on each subnet.

    Wing will not use the default gateway 10.0.1.1 and communicate with my iPad/PC or even respond to pings from any device on 10.0.2.x network. Again put the X32 or my PRO1 in place of the Wing same addressing and works just fine.

    Behringer is the IP protocol stack still not 100%? I am betting this IS the case because the Copilot will not even let you enter an IP address outside the iPads own DHCP subnet range. 

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    • AnthonySeifert
      PatrickGMaillot

      Anthony,


      Your issue is most likely more a networking issue than a WING issue per se, unless as you mentioned on the FB thread you opened on the subject, it is a bug in the WING netweork stack implementation.


      The Behringer engineers will linkely look into the issue, if there is one. In the meantime, there seems to be several alternatives or workarounds suggested by fellow musicians on FB that can help.


      -P

      • May 14, 2020
    • AnthonySeifert
      AnthonySeifert

      Patrick, I have workarounds and all my data indicates a bug with the Wing IP stack. I was hopeful I could drop the Wing into my production network configuration I have been using for a couple of years now with both my XM32s and PRO1, but just not workable, and confirmed by another engineer as well.


      So to your knowledge and experience, I should open a tread with possible bug in the forum to potential get Behringer looking at the issue?

      • May 15, 2020
    • AnthonySeifert
      PatrickGMaillot

      Hello,


      WING engineering developers will try to duplicate the issue and test. I gave them the description you provided on FB.


      -Patrick

      • May 15, 2020
    • AnthonySeifert
      PatrickGMaillot

      Tested. There was indeed a bug. Will be fixed in the next release.



      -Patrick

      • May 15, 2020
  • shuptuu
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-12

    Hi,

    For those who are looking for a way to control a Begringer X-AIR digital mixer or Midas M-AIR digital mixer over a local network, using an X-Touch Mini USB Midi Controller and X-AIR Edit or M-AIR Edit: I did a small app that I share free of charge. I called it "TheLink".

    In action: https://youtu.be/W4scTnCxQNQ

    To get it: https://github.com/Shuptuu/TheLink/ 

    Enjoy!

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  • dorianboyd
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-12

    Hey all. Been through the threads similar to this, but not getting any success on the X32, and can't reboot or restore anything.

    USB drive doesn't seem to be active; no access lights on thumb drive.

    Attached is a pic of the screen I'm getting. Ideas?

    IMG_0186.jpg
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    • dorianboyd
      RexBeckett

      @dorianboyd 


      Hello Dorian, welcome to the community.


       


      This can usually be fixed by placing a copy of the V3.11 firmware file on its own in the root folder of a USB stick, plugging it into the console and then switching-on the power while pressing and holding the USB button.


       


      Once the console is running again, you can repeat the procedure with the V4.02 firmware file but remove the V3.11 one.

      • May 12, 2020
    • dorianboyd
      dorianboyd

      Thanks; tried that before I posted.  The USB stick isn't being accessed at all, it seems.

      • May 12, 2020
  • GeorgeDougherty
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-12

    Anyone know if Midas will ever release some SD type stage boxes?  I have an SD16 and would love to have matching preamps to a DL32 for both my personal rig and church rig.  
    My SD16 tends to live at the drum kit for live events. Stage rearranging at church has just made things to where an SD box at the new drum kit location would be ideal instead of deploying analog snakes to pull inputs to the kit. 

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    • GeorgeDougherty
      GaryHiggins

      @GeorgeDougherty 


      I don't have an answer but would buy 2 DL8's on the spot if they existed or the SD version (DD8?) for very similar reasons.

      • May 12, 2020
    • GeorgeDougherty
      GeorgeDougherty

      Have been a little confused at times by Midas variants of the x32 universe. Like why an M32 core and M air boxes but not an M32 rack?  I'd probably have at least 3 DLD16 if they existed.  Probably would have done that instead of picking up a DL32 for my portable rig. So much nicer than having to deal with a stage-side DL32 in rack and analog subsnakes. 

      • May 12, 2020
    • GeorgeDougherty
      Vasco_Romijn

      The X32 Core do not excist anymore for about 2 years, there is only M32 Core. Also there is no M32 Producer version only a X32 Compact (M32R) variant with scribble strip. Have all to do with the pro versus other markets and what they will buy. Pro users are not common tablet mixers for example.

      • May 13, 2020
    • GeorgeDougherty
      GaryHiggins

      @Vasco_RomijnActually there is no M32 "Core", it's called an M32C. Also the M32R is the same size as an X32 Producer (a Producer with scribble strips and Midas Pro preamps). The Compact is larger than a Producer or M32R and has no Midas counterpart. Also they made an MR18 which is only tablet. So I tend to agree about the marketing being a bit confusing as to why one product is made and not another. I do agree the focus is mainly the big $ Pro market though. Still IMO they would sell a bunch of M32 Racks if ever made and SD type stageboxes (MD?) with Midas preamps. 

      • May 13, 2020
  • Billbass75
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-11

    I upgraded firmware on my two X32's. Compact works fine.  When I turn my X32 rack on now, I get "FPGA boot failed" and it goes into a loop of trying to power on. It will let me change firmware from a USB, but I get the same message with every version. Any thoughts?

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    • Billbass75
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Bill @Billbass75 ,


      Have you tried installing 3.11 the old method (putting the firmware update file in the root of a USB stick, inserting the USB stick into the front slot, pressing and holding the USB button and powering up the X32 Rack)?


       

      • May 11, 2020
    • Billbass75
      Billbass75

      I've tried 3.12, 4.0, 4.1 and 4.02. I've tried it with multiple thumb drives as well. It will change the firmware and tell me it was complete, but then it fails at the FPGA boot every time. 

      • May 11, 2020
    • Billbass75
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Bill @Billbass75 ,


      I think you are going to have to submit a support ticket (click on Support above). Make sure you fill in all fields, or it will generate an error.


       

      • May 11, 2020
    • Billbass75
      Billbass75

      I filled out a ticket earlier. Unfortunately a lower staff means slower response time. I was hoping for a trick from the forum. 
      Thanks

      • May 11, 2020
    • Billbass75
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Bill @Billbass75 


      Try this firmware (3.11) and make sure the update file is the only one in the USB root. The reason I suggest 3.11 is that I had to use it once when I installed a (pre 4.0) beta firmware that failed and this one worked for me.

      • May 11, 2020
  • DickStraathof
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-11

    Hello, I have updated the Copilot app to version 1.1 and I have the issue now that the app is every 5 sec. waiting for receiving data from the Wing console.Sometime the app times out for a few seconds, other times it times out for 10+ seconds. The wifi indicator in the right upper corner is getting red now and then, but not always.
    Exact the same configuration with app version 1.0 had no problems....
    Can anyone shine a light on this? Or has anyone the same exerience?

    DickS

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    • DickStraathof
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi @DickStraathof 


      Are you using 1.06 firmware on the Wing?


       

      • May 11, 2020
    • DickStraathof
      curtbl

      Actually facing the same issue and running 1.06   since installing this version I get the same issues actually bad enough that the app is unusable. 


      Curious for thoughts


      Curt

      • May 11, 2020
    • DickStraathof
      DickStraathof

      Hello Paul @Paul_Vannatto, Yes V1.06 on the console and 1.1 on the Android tablet.

      DickS

      • May 11, 2020
    • DickStraathof
      DickStraathof

      @Paul_Vannatto 
      Hello Paul, do you have maybe CoPilot 1.0 still somewhere in your stock files? I know you keep almost everything regarding X32 and Wing firmware/software.
      My CoPilot 1.1 is useless since it is making contact with the console all the time "Receiving data from Wing" 
      Since there is no software update since the last time I post this issue, I rather like to go back to version 1.0 since the Copilot app is useless now.


      Thanks for your help in advance.


      DickS

      • June 6, 2020
    • DickStraathof
      Paul_Vannatto


      @DickStraathof wrote:


      Hello Paul, do you have maybe CoPilot 1.0 still somewhere in your stock files?





      Here you go DickS. CoPilot 1.2 should be released soon.


       

      WING_COPILOT_1.0.0.zip
      • June 6, 2020
  • paka
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-11

    Hello,

    I'm using X Air Android app to control XR16 mixing console. Please is there any way how to chnage the color schema the app uses ? Even manual way by editing some file would be ok..  I would like to use a hybrid device, which is actually 8" Android tablet equipped with e-ink b/w display, to control it - which works, but some of the color used by default are almost not readable (The advantage for using such device is very good visibility even on direct sunlight, and also good batttery lifeteme as no backlight is needed)

    Pavel

     

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    • paka
      RexBeckett

      @paka 


      Hello Pavel, welcome to the community.


       


      I don't think this is possible with the XAir app for Android. The Mixing Station XAir Pro app has selectable colour schemes, though. This app is a later development of the standard XAir app by the same author. It has many improvements including the ability to create custom layouts. The Pro version is a paid-for app but it is well-worth the small price. The app is frequently updated with user-requested features.

      • May 10, 2020
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