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  • GeeXtreme
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-25

    Hello everybody!

    Quick intro: Lockdown meant I rebooted an old tech blog I started in 2006 or so, it's been neglected a long time. I'm a professional tech reviewer/writer - have been for almost three decades - and love electronic music. The site was started to let me put all the nerdy/retro things I couldn't publish in magazines, 'cause of space or audience, but I'm now using it more for music-related things.

    As a writer, I'd been asked to do some SEO-style guides for a music shop. I hate SEO - I like content and figure Google will figure it out if it's good. But, when they ended up not really knowing how to use what I'd written to support their sales, I figured I'd repurpose it for my reboot.

    Behringer related: This big roundup/comparison:

    https://www.geextreme.com/music/behringer-analogue-synth-roundup/

    Ultimately, I'd like to run full reviews of these synths at some stage, but in the meantime this is trying to be the guide I wanted when last agonising over how to spend £300 on a synth.

    Some of the specs aren't clear from manuals and so forth - so if anyone with more experience of the synths wants to set me straight, please, do!

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  • B4NJOs
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-22

    I've been looking forward to the release of the CAT since it was announced. I just received my CAT today and have noticed a couple of quirks while jamming with it. I'm hoping it's just me, but it's so early, I thought I'd make a thread for other early adopters to chime in. First off, this synth sounds absolutely amazing. The range of tones I can coax out of it is astronomical. The only issue I seem to be having is note tracking. When playing songs where I would glide or slide up from one half step up or down, the note I'm trying to land on does not sound. It's almost like the note priority is not quite correct. I understand that in poly mode, one VCO handles the highest note and vice versa, but in mono mode, I can't seem to see a pattern of highest, lowest, or last note priority. When I press and hold one note and then press another note while still holding the first, the second note will play without retriggering the envelope (which is expected), but when I release the second note, the first note that I am still holding down does not return. I have to release the first note entirely and re-trigger it. This is not how any other synth I own behaves. What could I be doing wrong or is there potentially a glitch? 

    I also own: Behringer Model D, Roland SE-02, Roland SH-01A, Roland SH201, Roland System-8, Studiologic Sledge, Casio CZ-5000, Korg Prologue 16, Yamaha DX7, Arturia DBI, Roland VT-4, and various modular gear. The CAT is the only synth that does this.

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    • B4NJOs
      B4NJOs

      Update: after finding a couple of youtubers with similar issues, I can confirm that in mono mode, the problem does not appear to happen when using CV to control the pitch and gate of VCO1. This is not a fix as there is no way to use the Poly mode like this without a second CV source for VCO2. Just interesting.

      • May 22, 2020
  • brainfungus
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-22

    I am hoping to poly chain two neutrons.    https://musictribecommunity.powerappsportals.com/en-us/knowledgebase/article/KA-01071

    The page above was of limited help, and the description of settings was not well written: 

    1.    In order to turn Poly Chain mode on, hold down the ‘PARA’ (I guess they mean the 'PARAPHONIC' ) button. The LED will flash once in mono mode, or twice in duo mode. All Neutrons except for the last in the chain need to be in Poly Chain mode for this to work.

    This did not explain how to turn on Poly Chain mode. I assumed they meant I needed to have it flashing twice, so that's how I set it  (is "duo mode" the same as "Poly Chain" mode??).

    I have both units set to MIDI channel one. I have a MIDI connector from controller to unit 1 MIDI in. MIDI is received on unit 1 (light flashes- audio is generated). I have a MIDI connector from unit 1 MIDI thru to MIDI in on unit 2.  No MIDI received on unit 2, no audio generated. I have tried both standard and usb MIDI in ports on unit 1.

    Any ideas on what I've got wrong? 

     

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    • brainfungus
      AndrewMoffitt

      Hi fungus brain.  You're right that the language is confusing: 'dual mode' does seem to mean PolyChain.  You have activated the Poly Mode correctly.  Just make sure that you exit Poly Mode selection with a long hold rather than a sort of short hold that inadvertently sets you in the wrong direction.


      I believe I had your problem early on, but something fixed it.  It may have been ensuring that both synths had the same Note Priority mode and both were updated to the same firmware version.  But I can't say for certain that those things were 100% the cure.  (You've probably turned both synths on and off in the meantime, I imagine).


      I'm further along than you are, but I can only get dual paraphonic output, ie 4 pitches.  Running both in nonparaphonic mode gives me only one pitch, though I can hear all 4 oscillators.  I submitted a support ticket, but haven't heard anything for a couple weeks.  Not sure if they're actually running support right now.


      Keep trying!

      • May 28, 2020
  • motdue
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-21

    Put a ticket into the Behringer care portal a week ago and have not even received a response that they have received it, so thought I would post the question here. Using several different keyboard controllers (Akai MPK249, Akai MAX 25 and the Crave synthesizer) I can only get the unit to play only one pitch no matter what key is pressed. I tried this using both USB and 5 pin midi connections (disconnecting the respective others when testing). Still only one pitch no matter what note was pressed on the keyboard. Then tried connection of Crave to the Model D using CV connections only and was able to get corresponding pitch to match what was being played on the Crave keyboard. All other functions of the synth are working including filters, envelopes, etc. Pitch can also be modulated using the LFO. To sum up, using CV inputs from the Crave I can control the pitch of the Model D from the Crave keyboard but using USB and Midi 5 pin connections from Crave and 2 other midi controllers I only get 1 pitch no matter what note on keyboard is pressed. I always got a sound just only one pitch. I have attached a graphic of the SynthTool connected to the Model D. Thought maybe reloading the firmware might help (even though I am running the latest version) but SynthTool gives no option to reload. Thanks in advance for any help.

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  • danbot3
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-21
    The new SynthTool 2.3.8 is not updating my MS-1. It reports that my firmware 1.1.6 (which has been around for a while now) is up to date. Users on other websites are reporting that even older firmwares are showing as "up to date" on the SynthTool. How can we actually update?
     

     

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  • andremichelle
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-20

    I am able to select MIDI USB, but it obviously does not update Crave. The Midi Start Clock event will start the internal sequencer, but the tempo remains out of sync. If I go to another tab and back to General or restart the Synth Tool, it defaults back to Internal. I have no issues with the RD-8 or TD-3. They work as expected.

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  • JEWhite
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-19

    Hey all!

    The "Glide" switch and knob do absolutely nothing on my new MS-1. I've seen demos of Roland's MS 101 where the glide or portamento switch and knob are demonstrated. But again, mine does nothing, I have no portamento or glide.

    It's surely an easy fix, some setting or switch I've overlooked. I've contacted Behringer and the seller a few days back, but haven't heard from either.

    Any ideas ...?

     

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  • cuzzinlester
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-19

    My kdx12 keyboard amp has no power. We switched power cords and still nothing. Is there a fuse

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  • erock123
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-19
     

    I am able to successfully back up and restore banks individually via SysEx Librarian. I'm finding a problem with doing a "All" backup. Those files are not being recognized by the dm12 and my my "All" backups do not restore properly.

    I lost a lot of sounds and work this way, does anyone know if there is a different way to import a backup created with the "All" setting? 

    I've experimented with editing the SysEx files individually with no luck.

    Any insight is appreciated...

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  • AndrewMoffitt
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-17

    Hello friends;

    I set my two Neutrons up in a Polychain. With both switched to paraphonic, I can play 4 pitches simultaneously just fine. With both synths' Paraphonic switched off, I only get one pitch sounding while playing 2 keys on my keyboard. Both synths are at 2.02 with last note priority. 2nd synth has Poly-Chain off.  I presume it should be possible to get a duophonic output with this setup?

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