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  • arkatten
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-06-04

    Hi 

    just got my x32 today , and out of the box the 48volt power buttons dont seem to light up .

    and i cant get a signal from my condensor mic ..

    ive checked the manual and cant find anywhere other than the button on the desc to switch it on or off.

    and this doesnt work .

     

    any ideas ?

     

    thanks 

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    • arkatten
      RexBeckett

      @arkatten 


      Hello Ryan, welcome to the community.


       


      The button on the console affects the preamp for the currently selected channel. Each channel has independent settings for gain, phantom, etc. 


       


      You can also see/change the preamp settings on the Setup -> Preamps tab.

      • June 3, 2020
    • arkatten
      arkatten

      yeah , i got to that page , and i was able to switch the power on and off from the preamps page 2nd button from the left makes the 48v light up yellow on the display , 


      however this doesnt seem to make any difference , im still not getting a siganl coming in , or the 48v light on the desc to light up?


       


       

      • June 3, 2020
  • cracanut
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2020-06-03

    DCA and Subgroup spill functionality would be an absolute game changer and allow for many different workflows.

    Perhaps the spill could be triggered by double pressing the select button (similar to double pressing the 'Attention' button on Avid consoles)?

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  • Nyborg
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-06-03

    Hi guys, im setting up a livestream with Streamleabs using my X32 with the USB card. I got sound the sound and everything into streamlabs but the problem is the sound level on the stream. I need to have almost every fader turned all the way up. Also tried with increasing gain, but that just makes the sound far worse on the stream. The artist is also going to use monitors and it would be nice if the meters werent constantly glowing red....

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    • Nyborg
      GaryHiggins

      @Nyborg 


      Hello, try using the Ultranet or out1-16 routing instead of local for your card out's. Those menus allow you to use direct outs of the mixer ch's at later tap points like post fader. This allows more boost than if you use local which is only gain and is pre everything.

      • June 2, 2020
    • Nyborg
      Nyborg

      Thanks! That worked great, but only for the Youtube stream. Im also streaming to Facebook witch still is pretty low on volume. 

      • June 3, 2020
    • Nyborg
      -mjk- I use a stereo subgroup to feed SLOBS (so I can make a mix minus feed), and there is more than enough gain. Everything is post-fader.
      • June 3, 2020
  • mr-jolly
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-06-02

    One of the things I miss on the Wing that exists on the X32 is the input versus output meters on the effects units. The one I find most useful is on the vintage compressors:

     

    in-out.jpg

    I find it quite helpful to be able to see what is being done to the level of the signal.

    On the Wing I could see this feature, if it could be made to fit in the UI, being in multiple steps in the signal chain; EQ, Dynamics, Inserts, etc.

    Just a suggestion in case anyone on the Wing team is looking.

    Thanks,

    -mal

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  • Pgrant999
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2020-06-01

    Hello all!  I am fairly new to Digital audio and it's interfaces.  I have recently gone to work at a Church, and I inherited a Midas Pro1 and I am trying to research to see if I can interface the PRO1 via AES50 to the Behringer Ultranet in-ear system (P16, etc..., to be purchased asap).   

    In my research, someone mentioned that they will not natively talk because the PRO1 operates at 96kHz, and the Behringer stuff is 48kHz (I think).  

    So QUESTION IS: what do I need to do to get a route of 16 channels/mixes out to the Berhinger in-system? Hardware converter?  A different in-ear system?  

    HELP!  Any and all is greatly appreciated!

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    • Pgrant999
      GaryHiggins

      @Pgrant999 


      Hello. Besides the 96K clock the p16 system will not work with a Pro1 as it is a proprietary protocol also requiring an ultranet port. The pro1 doesn't have that and the P16 sytems work at 48/44k. So the P16 system is out-unless you get an X32 mixer or a Midas M32, both have the ultranet. If on a tight budget, you might want to look into the P2 monitor devices. They run from an xlr cable connected to a bus output. They are cheap and sound quite good, with the proper cable 2 buses (not sure if you also have a stagebox) can be linked for stereo operation. Otherwise you will need some other form of in ear system most of which can be very expensive. Pro1 is a very nice inheritance however! 


       


      EDIT: I just thought of 1 other possibility. Using a P16I. They accept either adat or analog inputs and then output those to P16. The analog inputs of it are 1/4 in but if you had a way to convert Pro1 ch outs to 1/4 balanced or unbalaced cable, it accepts 16 ch's of analog and then you could connect the P16M's to it.

      • June 1, 2020
    • Pgrant999
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @Pgrant999 

      As @GaryHiggins suggested, using a Behringer P16-I and coming out analog of the Pro1 (either rear XLRs or via DL stage box) would be the most affordable option. Integrating an X/M32 over AES50, while a flexible and convenient setup, would require a Klark Teknik Network bridge and expansion card - which is quite an investment if the sole purpose is to integrate with the P16 system.  

      • June 2, 2020
  • weason
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-06-01

    We are trying to direct record from the M32 to a MAC Air using Pro Presenter.  The DN32 is seen by the MAC, but the volume is low.  Any suggestions on how to increase the output volume?

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    • weason
      GaryHiggins

      @weason 


      Hello, what tap point are you using? If you use "local" as the source for card out, the gain setting is all you can boost but of course not to the point of distortion. If you change the source of card out using utranet out, out 1-16 or aux out you can then use direct outputs of your ch's at post fader or post eq etc and get some further boost that way.

      • June 1, 2020
    • weason
      weason

      Yes, we are using "local outs".  Routing seems difficult - may not be but it's confusing.  And of course the user guide isn't much help.


      So changing to the Ultranet 1-16 outs is there a way to adjust the overall gain or is it still per chanel?

      • June 1, 2020
  • ddchurch3
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-06-01

    When I try to record from XAir 18 into Garageband, I am unable to modify the output using the faders, effects, etc. I have tried changing the signal tap points on the USB Out page via iPad --analog, post-eq, post-fader -- without any change in the USB signal. The only control that seems to work is the channel gain.

    Any suggestions on other ways to modify the signal?

    Our church uses the XAir-18 for live worship, and now we're trying to use it for streaming, as well.

    Thanks!

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    • ddchurch3
      GaryHiggins

      @ddchurch3 


      Hello, sounds like what you tried should do it. Can you copy your scene and post it here? Probably the quickest way to locate the issue.

      • June 1, 2020
    • ddchurch3
      ddchurch3

      First time copying a scene; hope this works.

      Dave

      Worship Scene.scn
      • June 1, 2020
    • ddchurch3
      CraigFowler

      The USB out page shows that signals are sent post preamp (analogue tap point,) except for USB1+2, which are set to the analogue output (which is really the input) of bus6.  Although channels feed bus6 post-eq so you can make your livestream mix, you don't have any FX turned up in that bus.

      • June 1, 2020
    • ddchurch3
      GaryHiggins

      @ddchurch3 


      At present as Craig said, all USB ch's are being sent out pre everything so you won't get any XR ch processing to your daw. If you want them to include ch processing, including fader position and pan you need to make all usb ch sends (including 1/2) be Post fader. Also if bus 6 is your stream feed and sending it 2x as USB 1 and 2 is to get a stereo type feed. You might be better off linking bus 5 and 6 then you can actually pan each ch to that bus pair. Make USB out 1 be bus 5 and USB out 2 be bus 6. Daw ch's 1/2 should record your live feed stereo and 3-18 should record the rest of your ch's (17/18 being aux)

      • June 1, 2020
    • ddchurch3
      ddchurch3

      Thank you, Gary and Craig.


      So if I understand correctly, in order to send USB signal with effects and fader, I need to:


      1. Change USB send settings to "Post EQ + Mute" for any channels we're sending?


      2. Increase/decrease Fx via the Bus 6 faders, not just at the individual channel level?


      Sorry to be asking such basic questions. There is no one in our organization who has any knowledge of sound board operation. What little I have learned has been from YouTube and reading the manual, both of which leave many unanswered questions.


      Thank you for your help.


       


       

      • June 1, 2020
  • Herm-JanRiemer
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-06-01

    Hi guys!

    So with churches closed we had to record our band for recorded services. I recorded 32 channel outs on an pc and mixed them afterward in Ableton with waves plugins. This really boosted the quallity of our sound and we want to try using these plugins live aswell.
    Now to my question. Is it possible to run my channels from the X32 into my DAW and than back into the X32 with the processed sounds?

    And how would i be doing this?

    Thanks in advance!!
    Herm-Jan

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    • Herm-JanRiemer
      RexBeckett

      @Herm-JanRiemer 


      Yes you could do this but latency may be a problem for live use.


       


      Are you recording the preamp outputs (by routing the Card (USB) outputs from local or AES50 sources)? If so you could route the Card (USB returns) to the required channels on Routing -> Inputs. This would insert the DAW between the preamps and the channel inputs.

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      Herm-JanRiemer

      We are recording from AES50. We've got an X32 compact for FOH use, an X32 rack for inear use and a S32 to connect all the instruments.


      So route AES50 channels into DAW like i have been doing with the multitrack recording. How would i route them back into the X32 so i can still use these faders to controll volume?


       

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      CraigFowler

      Presuming you're going S32>Rack(Mons)>Compact(FOH)>DAW


      Routing on Rack remains the same.  On the Compact, Routing>Inputs, and set Inputs1-32 to Card 1-32.  This will get you your DAW-processed signals back into the FOH console for further processing\summing.


       


      It's a bit more complicated (though still doable) to get these DAW-processed signals to the monitor console as well, but I wouldn't recommend it due to the latency the DAW plugins will add to the signals.  Although the latency added might be ok for FOH, it's probably not going to be ok for monitors, especially IEMs.  Also, you're probably going to want to ensure that you send all signals to the FOH console, even if you're only running plugins on a handful, and make the DAW run some sort of automatic delay compensation across everything to ensure the signals all remain coherent when they're summed.

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      DickStraathof

      I should recommend Waves Multirack instead of your DAW. I guess Multirack will have less latency then a DAW has plus Multirack takes care automatically of the latency ( if you run their latency calculation once on all your outgoing channels).
      I have tried S32 -> X32 -> Multirack -> X32 -> P16 to IEM once, but that doesn't work because of the latency what is created, it was unduable to play.....
      But you take your mons direct from the X32 rack, so latency will occur only to the FOH sound and than it might work... trial and error is the best way to find out...
      Good luck


      DickS

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      Herm-JanRiemer

      Thanks! We don't run P16's though. Just normal outputs into an headphone amp with wired signal to musicians. (cheap but good) Also i thought that inears never needed the processed sounds anyway. Or is that just my assumption? I have never ran them processed anyways and musicians have never cared. 

      • June 1, 2020
  • shadwell
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-29

    hey all , 

    I am really struggling with getting basic signal flow going to and from protools.  I am also trying to use this as front end fro a streaming situation.  I will pay a person with real knowledge to can help me solve this.  I work in tech support at a major university and this kinda stuff never gives me a hard time. 

     

     

     

     

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    • shadwell
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Aaron @shadwell ,


      I'm not sure what console you have, since they never made an M32 Rack. The assignments of signals to the DN9630 is done on the Routing, AES50 (A or B) screen in banks of 8. If you want to record the signals directly after the preamps, mirror the Routing, Inputs screen on the appropriate AES50 screen.


       


      For the streaming requirements, it depends on the software used to do that. Many apps only accept USB 1/2 if you are using a Windows OS. If you are using a Mac or linux, you have more flexibility.


       


      For signals from the DN9630 to the console, it depends on how many you want returned. If you want just a stereo return (master out of the DAW), you can assign Card 1-2 to the Aux In Remap (on the Routing, Inputs screen). That will bring those signals to the Aux 1 and 2 channel strips.


       


      If you give us more details of your requirements, we can add more detailed solutions.

      • May 29, 2020
    • shadwell
      shadwell

      Paul @Paul_Vannatto  many thanks,  I meant m32C. my mistake.   I truly appreciate your knowledge and help. I am serious about the payment offer, I feel i am asking a lot and that offering something in return is very important. 


      let me try to say more about these uses: in both of the following situations the klark Teknik DN9630 gets me into the computer from the M32C. 


      The simple one is recording to protools, I'd like to have the option to be able to print the dynamics, eq and FX in the m32C to pro tools tracks.  I mostly do demos at home working quickly is very important.  I hire out the proper recording, mix and master.  The songs come first. 


      The second situation is sending a stereo mix made up of the 8 inputs that come in on the optical card out to the computer for streaming.  right now I am looking at OBS or Eccam as a streaming app to both record and interface with various streaming platforms.   I am on a mac book pro.  


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       

      • May 29, 2020
    • shadwell
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Aaron @shadwell ,


      Thanks for the details. An M32C does change things, since it relies on external inputs/outputs such as stageboxes etc. So I assume you are using a stagebox connected to one of the M32C AES50 ports and the DN9630 connected to the other port. Also if you want to use the channel processing of the M32C (EQ, dynamics, gate, etc.), that changes the routing requirements significantly. It also assumes that you are using the M32-Edit app and not the console display for controlling the console (which is a good thing IMO). If you are attempting to try and do this routing, etc. with the iPad app, don't bother, unless you want to lose more hair than you really want to (and I can't help you, since I don't own any Apple products).


       


      When setting up complex routing, the first thing I do is to layout the interconnectivity mapping. For example, you might have the following ([A] and [B] are the AES50 ports):


      S16 [A] <-> [B] S16 [A] <-> [A] M32C [B] <-> [A] DN9630


      If you mapping is different, it will subsequently change the routing. Since you want the channel strip processing, you will need to first assign the individual channel outputs using the Routing, Out 1-16 and Ultranet screens. There you can assign Direct Chan Out and also change the taps (right clicking the circles) to probably either pre-fader or post-fader. Then you would assign these outputs in banks of 8 to the Routing, AES50 B (if you are using the mapping above) in order to send it to the DN9630.


       


      For streaming, since you have a Macbook Pro, most apps (such as OBS) can probably select the various USB inputs (which are outputs of the DN9630). Most apps default to using USB 1/2 (and Windows users typically are stuck with this default). I switched from Windows to linux in January and also now have more possibilities. 


       


      You mentioned an optical card. What card would that be?


       


       

      • May 29, 2020
    • shadwell
      shadwell

      @Paul_Vannatto 


      I have no stage boxes in this rig. the only analog. i/o is done via the Focusrite Clarett octo pre . https://focusrite.com/en/adat-mic-pre/clarett/clarett-octopre. it has some ad/da functionality.  8 in 8 out  and it talk to the M32c via light pipe , that box for the light pipe card is attached its an x-Adat from Behringer 


      the Klark Teknik DN9630 is connected to the AES50 A port and in turn talks to the computer via USB


      many thanks for your time.  


      Aaron 


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       

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      • May 29, 2020
    • shadwell
      GaryHiggins

      @shadwell 


      Just to add my meager 2 cents. If going straight from from your Adat card to a computer you probably would only need to change your "card out" routing source to P16 or Out 1-16 instead of "Local" Using those routing menu sources allows you to dictate the tap points needed to record full ch processing that can include Gate, Comp, EQ and pre/post fader. (eg P16 ch 1 = Direct out of ch1 post fader etc) Local is pre everything and can't be otherwise. Doing the same post fader for Main L/R as the source for 2 of your recorded ch's will also capture your complete mix The DN9630 should be able to also accommodate the ultranet (or out 1-16) as the source of up to 16 aes50 ch's which should allow the same tap points when using it. 

      • May 29, 2020
  • mattrcraig
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-28

    He everyone!

    We are starting to livestream and we just got a M32R to run our broadcast feed. We also want to throw a Behringer X32 in the mix for a separate monitor board. We have a DL32 stage box to run all of our channels.

    What would be the sequence for us to hook everything up properly and get the best result? 

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    • mattrcraig
      CraigFowler

      There are a couple of ways to do it. The way I think makes the most sense is to go DL32>Monitors>FOH>Livestream.  Monitor console is clock master, the other consoles slave off it.

      • May 28, 2020
    • mattrcraig
      GaryHiggins

      @mattrcraig 


      As Craig said there are a few ways to do this. A couple of considerations: Will you ever use preamps from the monitor board or always just the DL32 preamps? If you might sometimes use the monitor mixer preamps, the X32 then as the live feed board makes sense to me. Why waste any M32 mic pre's for the live feed when it will only mirror aes50? The other consideration is where the preamps of the DL32 are to be controlled from. The A port side of the DL controls preamps and its output assignments. So another possible scenario where the monitor position mixer controls preamps:


       


      M32 FOH A <>A X32 (as live feed) x32 sync A


       


      M32 FOH B<>A M32R B<>A DL32  (M32R as master. M32 FOH sync B)


       


      Monitor M32R controls DL outputs and all preamp control. M32R mirrors its inputs via aes50 to FOH. FOH mirrors aes50 to X32 for live stream. 

      • May 28, 2020
    • mattrcraig
      mattrcraig Craig, what side of the AES50 should I use for each connection?
      • May 28, 2020
    • mattrcraig
      CraigFowler

      The only one that really matters is the A socket on the DL32. The rest are interchangeable. However for consistency in routing tables, I’d go;


      DL32(A)>Monitors(B)


      Monitors(A)>FOH(B)


      FOH(A)>Livestream(B)

      • May 29, 2020
    • mattrcraig
      mattrcraig

      Ok, gotcha.


      What if we wanted to run the monitors out of the B side of the DL32, though?


      still use A side for the other boards.


      Do you foresee a problem doing it that way?

      • May 29, 2020
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