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  • lenfinalt
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-05-26

    Hello,

    I wanted to submit a feature request or hear any thoughts about it. I wondered about that a long time ago: Why must the mute button be only on/off with no fade time? If you unmuted a channel half a second too late, the audience would definitely hear it because of the hard cut. But if channels would be able to unmute and mute with a fade time of for example 300ms or lower, the change would be a lot smoother. Maybe this could be useful in live situations.

    I would be happy to hear any thoughts on that and/or why this is such a bad idea

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    • lenfinalt
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Lennart @lenfinalt ,


      Welcome to the forum. Your idea is not a bad idea, but is currently not practical. The reason is that the current control protocol for the Wing is not time based, similar to the OSC protocol of the X32/M32 and X-Air/M-Air. That is why I provided the fade, cross-fade, etc. tidbit commands with Live Toolbox. This is being ported to the Wing platform. Because the Wing control protocol is very different, it will take some time before it is ready for release. If you are inclined and capable to program in C, Patrick @PatrickGMaillot has developed a C library for the Wing called Wapi


       

      • May 26, 2020
    • lenfinalt
      PatrickGMaillot

      Hello,


       


      As Paul mentioned there are some limitations due to the non-time based aspect of most functions available in WING and other consoles such as OSC based X32, M32, etc.


      With WING, a delay on functions such as MUTE would have to 1) take place within the console FW itself and this has an impact on the computing actions in the console and the Behringer programmers cannot think of all the exotic things some users may want to do at some point with using their console, or 2) take place using an external application IF there's a way to separate surface controls from the actual actions available in the console.


      For example you would declare that the MUTE button doesn't have its native audio processing function, but is simply generating a 'surface control' code that an application can catch and act upon. The app is then very simple to write.


      Behringer has not developed this for X32, leaving the X32 surface controls always linked to internal/audio processing. WING so far is in the same situation. I hope this situation changes in the future and a real, opened, surface control mode becomes available. But this may take time, if it happens one day.


      -Patrick

      • May 26, 2020
    • lenfinalt
      lenfinalt

      @Paul_Vannatto Thank you, I will have a look at Wapi. This looks very interesting to me!


      @PatrickGMaillot Okay, this makes sense to me. Then the possibility to separate the control surface from the internal processing or hook on specific actions would be great. Maybe there will be an option for people who want to tweak their console a bit in the future.


      I would like to thank both of you for the detailed answers! Have a great evening.

      • May 26, 2020
  • andyp13
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-26

    Does the data wheel on the Wing do anything? or is there a problem with my desk?

     

     

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    • andyp13
      Paul_Vannatto


      @andyp13 wrote:


      Does the data wheel on the Wing do anything? or is there a problem with my desk?





      No problem with your desk. It currently has very little functionality, but will be used much more in the next firmware release.


       

      • May 25, 2020
    • andyp13
      mfk1312

      Hi Paul,


      Is there any offical estimation for the next release?


       


      regards

      • May 26, 2020
  • PatrikBouldin
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-25

    Hi, is there a published or otherwise known distance limit to connect the XR-18 to a Windows computer, via USB? I need 20' ideally, and is there a recommended cable for that distance or will an extender work?

    Thanks,

    Patrik

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    • PatrikBouldin
      LuukvanKuipers

      According to USB.org, USB operating specifications limit the maximum length of the cable to 5 meters for full speed devices and 3 meters for any low speed devices. 5 meters is around 16 feet 5 inches, and 3 meters is around 9 feet 10 inches. A X18 USB is low speed I guess.

      • May 25, 2020
    • PatrikBouldin
      PatrikBouldin

      Many thanks, I'm just wondering what max folks have experienced with PC to XR18 with the USB, annecdotally speaking. Especially now if you're saying it's a lower speed, that will help.

      • May 25, 2020
  • ChrisOjeda
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-25

    I am trying to update my firmware to 4.0 on my X32 Rack and the USB reader will not show any files when I plug my USB sticks into it. I have a FAT32 formatted stick with the firmware on it. HELP?!

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  • rwprigge777
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-24

    Hey guys, I'm hoping you can help give me some guidance on setting this up. I want to setup two consoles, an x32 and Wing on our system for the purposes of having two separate mixes for the house and livestream. The Wing will be for the house mix and the x32 for the livestream mix. My goal is to have both consoles taking inputs from an s32 via aes network. I currently have the Wing setup already with the s32. I also have an s16 in cascade with the s32 to give me a couple extra outputs on my stage rack. I am not using any inputs on the s16 currently. To be clear, the Wing, s32, and s16 are already setup successfully and working great. It's the x32 that I now want to add to the system for a separate livestream mix.

     

    Both consoles will be in close proximity to each other at the FOH booth. I was thinking all I should need to do is to take an ethercon from AES B (wing) to AES A (x32). Will this work? Again, my goal is to be able to take the inputs from the s32 on both consoles to make two separate mixes. 

     

    My other question then, is, where can I route my livestream mix coming off the x32? Can I route a stereo output to the s16 where I have 4 outputs (21-24) physically open currently (the Wing has outputs routed to 1 thru 20)? Or since the x32 only supports 16 outputs, do I have to have my x32 (livestream mix) coming out of 1 thru 16 on the s32? I would like to route the outputs to the stage rack 1 thru 24 vs an auxiliary local output on the x32 because of closer proximity between our livestream equipment and the stage rack.

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    • rwprigge777
      CraigFowler

      Yes you can do all that.


      The livestream console can receive a total of 48 signals over a single AES50 connection from the Wing (though only 32 of those signals can be mapped to channels with full processing, and a further 6 signals mapped to the aux channels with limited processing.)


       


      You can then send the output from the livestream console back to the Wing, and the Wing can pass it back to the stagebox outputs.

      • May 24, 2020
    • rwprigge777
      rwprigge777

      @CraigFowler 


      Thanks for the response. That's good to hear I'm at least on the right track. One question I have is related to how AES connections between consoles works. Will it be ok to connect AES B on the wing to AES A on the x32? The reason I ask is, the x32's AES B port might be broken.

      • May 26, 2020
    • rwprigge777
      CraigFowler

      Yes, that will be fine.  It's the stageboxes where you have to worry about using the A\B sockets, as on some stageboxes the B socket is only meant for daisy-chainging other stageboxes, and on some stageboxes only the A socket can get signals to physical outputs.


       


      However with the consoles themselves the A\B sockets are essentially interchangable.  You just have to set your console's routing tables to look at the correct socket accordingly.

      • May 26, 2020
    • rwprigge777
      rwprigge777

      @CraigFowler 


      I'm only really experienced routing on the Wing and haven't done much routing on the x32, so excuse my novice question, but it seems like what you're saying is: 


      I'll setup the routing on the x32 to look at the 32 inputs on AES A. And setup my 16 outputs to also go out on AES A. Then it's up to the routing on the Wing to take the x32's 16 outputs (coming in on AES B) and route those to any of the 24 outputs I have in my stage rack (s32+s16). Am I thinking right?

      • May 26, 2020
  • TroyHornbrook
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-24
     

    Hi All,

    I suspect there are some folks here using XR or MR series mixers as a sub mixer, or with the need to only connect one display device reliably.

     

    So FYI to whoever is interested: you can directly connect the XAir app on iPad via ethernet to XR12. The XR16 and XR18 should work the same way.  Here's how I do it:

    I use apple's USB3 camera connection kit with lightning power, and the tried and true MC704LL/a Apple USB2 to Ethernet adapter.

    The lightning power cord charges the ipad but does not power the Ethernet Adapter, so I need to use a USB2 Powered Hub with it's own power supply in between the Camera Connection Kit and the Ethernet adapter to get the Ethernet adapter powered properly.

    So, it's a mess of cables and devices, but it works like a charm. You may consider getting an extension lightning cable to run to your iPad, so all the junk (adaptors, power supplies, USB Hub, etc.) can go into a neat little box or zipper bag sitting near the XR (or in a rack drawer if the XR is racked).

    Here are Some additional notes on direct connection of iPad to XR:

     

    My iPad Ethernet connection is set to "Manual" as follows:  IP Address 192.168.1.2; Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0; Router 192.168.1.1

     

    In order to connect the iPad directly to XR without a router, you need to connect the iPad wirelessly via XR Access Point first, then flip the switch on the XR to Ethernet once connected by Access Point.  The XR will find the Ethenet connection automatically.  Once it does, you then switch to airplane mode on the iPad.

     

    You will now be good to go for your gig/session without wi-fi flakiness.  I often leave my mixer on all week, and the connection is there waiting for me when I return.  Even if you use the home button to exit or switch apps, the connection will remain in place.  

     

    However, once you "hard close" the XR app on the iPad (or if it aborts), you will need to take the ipad out of airplane mode, and flip the switch on the XR to "Access Point" in order to connect to the XR again.

     

    Also, the powered camera connection kit has a lightning connecter so you need a lightning equipped iPad for this setup to work.

     

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  • js415harmon
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-05-24

    Hello all, I am new here. I have been using the x32 for a few years. Love the board and software. Recently, we have begun to live stream so I split our board. I copied channels 1-16 to 17-32 so I could mix a separate feed for streaming. I wanted complete control from the gain down. Is it possible to adjust these separately? Can I implement the HA gain split without an external mixer? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. 

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    • js415harmon
      RexBeckett

      @js415harmon 


      Hello Jamie, welcome to the community.


       


      When you use an input on two or more channels, there can only be one setting for the preamp gain - shared by all the connected channels. If you enable the HA Gain Split option, the preamp gain must be set on the Setup -> Preamps tab but each channel has a separate +/- 18dB Trim control.


       


      In practice there is really only one correct setting for a preamp gain. If this is set correctly, the channel faders and send controls should be sufficient to control all mixes.

      • May 24, 2020
  • sergey_leps
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-23

    Friends. I conducted serious negotiations on my issues with Berenger - and two months ago I managed to get a new firmware for the controller from them. - X-TOUCH Firmware Release 1.19 !!! THERE appeared coordinately NEW parameters ... But I’m not a programmer - then I will lower how to use these New functions ... I will post you a new firmware and ask that those people who will be able to understand programming for themselves - posted here Detailed instructions - how to program with these New Features ..

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    • sergey_leps
      mfk1312

      I personally would not download your firmware file at all. Only versions which are released officially by Behringer will be used by me. Even if your version is no virus, malware or similar it would be too dangerous for me because itcomes froma unknown and therefor unsecure source.


      i hope that some representative of Behringer or this forum will react on your post in a suitable way.

      • May 23, 2020
    • sergey_leps
      sergey_leps

      You can not "Live-Afraid / Die-Afraid" .. Do not lose faith in people.X-TOUCH 1.19.jpg

      • May 23, 2020
    • sergey_leps
      mfk1312

      Again, I do not suppose that you are not a honest person. But I will wait until Behringer will release a new firmware version officially. I am responsible for my health and the health of my computers. So as I proceed with physical distancing to avoid Covid viruses I do the same with unknown sources like your zip to avoid harm of my computers. A strategy which was successful for me over the last 30 years or so. What others do is nothing I can control. So, thats the end of this story for me.

      • May 23, 2020
  • PaulJohnsson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-05-23

    Hi everyone

    I have a similar problem on my XR18 as this post back in 2015 https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Recording/XR18-Input-8-16-probably-broken-over-sensitive-distorting/td-p/231420

    I have an Axe FX3 plugged in stereo linked on channels 3 & 4 and all of a sudden channel 4 is showing more about 15db more gain than channel 3? I didn't even remove the connections.

    If I change to another stereo pair the gains are the same on the both channels.

    Has anyone else had a similar problem?

    I have tried the hard reset with a paper clip, no luck there...

    Cheers, Paul

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    • PaulJohnsson
      RexBeckett

      @PaulJohnsson 


      If the difference in gains is showing on the input meters and the preamp gains are definitely linked, it would seem to be a hardware problem. 


       


      I suggest that you raise a Care ticket for Service Repair explaining your problem. This is done by clicking on Support at the top of the page and then clicking the Create a Care Ticket button. This is only possible if you have completed all the required fields in your profile. Make sure that you fill-in every required field on the Care form.

      • May 23, 2020
  • MikeDrennan
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-05-23

    Does anyone have an inside track on when we can expect MIDI and/or OSC implementation info from Behringer?  I used to perform a lot of external control over my X32 and I've really been missing that with the Wing. 

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    • MikeDrennan
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Mike @MikeDrennan ,


      They are working on it, but no ETA yet. Both Midi and OSC will be secondary protocols and the native protocol is very complex. It is going to be quite an undertaking requiring a lot of testing (already started).


       

      • May 23, 2020
    • MikeDrennan
      sergey_leps

      Please see my post above, which I called X-TOUCH Firmware Release 1.19 ..

      • May 23, 2020
    • MikeDrennan
      PatrickGMaillot

      Mike,


      As Paul mentioned


      If you are a programmer, you can already do (many) things using wapi [WING API], available at


      https://github.com/pmaillot/wapi/


      -Patrick


       

      • May 23, 2020
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