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  • DickStraathof
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-06-06

    I have serious problems with my Wing Graphical User Interface. It is randomly swithcing things, depending on what page I am working on. The middle left area is living its own life, I have heard that the first batch of consoles had issues with the capacitive display and I think I am so unlucky to have collected one of these.
    Since the corona issues and UK being almost complete in lock-down, I don't dare to send my console in for service. It can take months before I will receive it back after service and I cannot wait that long time since I have sold my good old X32.
    I have send in a parts request for a new display and that request is "in progress" now. I am curious to see if Behringer will send me a new display so I can replace it myself.
    I think for this time that is the best solution....

    Are other people having the same issues?

    DickS 

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    • DickStraathof
      rickschwar

      Hi Dick,


      I have not had many problems with things changing -- other than channels becoming unassigned from DCAs. Strangely enough, after I reassign them a second or third time, they seem to 'stick.' I know this makes no sense at all, but I've had it happen many times. 


       


      I had to wait almost a month to send in my defective WING-LIVE card because the Vegas repair depot was shut down due to Coronavirus and not accepting any returns. Finally, I got my RMA and then UPS lost my package. The depot has ordered me a replacement, but they are on backorder. 


       


      Good luck with your problem. Hopefully you can get a replacement screen. 

      • June 6, 2020
    • DickStraathof
      GeorgeDougherty

      Yes.  Thankfully it's rare that it selects a spot on the screen for me and most of the time it's just a minor annoyance.  It has happened on an input selection screen where it is problematic during a fast setup.. 

      • June 6, 2020
  • bavera123
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-06-04

    Firmware Version 1.06.  When attempting to save only channel source inputs in a snap, none of the individual snap settings seem to save the input source.  Tyring to create a snap that would easily allow switching between recording and playback input settings.  A full snap does save and restore the source inputs, but it seems there is no individual setting that will do this.  It appears to be a bug in the 1.06 firmware or a feature not yet implemented.  Anyone else have this issue?

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    • bavera123
      GaryHiggins

      @bavera123 


      Hello, not sure about the ch snap saves, I will also double check BUT. Why not use the ch alt inputs? A one button push changes all ch's at one time. I'm assuming you want USB or SD card inputs for playback.

      • June 4, 2020
    • bavera123
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Brent @bavera123 ,


      Welcome to the forum. Snapshots save all settings of the Wing. What you can select are the recall scope. For the channel sources, I would suggest you select the desired channel(s) and the "Conn" at the bottom. I just tried it and it did work as expected.


       

      • June 4, 2020
  • mjscalesjr
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-06-04

    I am considering purchasing a WING to replace my X32. I have 22 microphones coming from one location, 16 microphones from another location. I've been successful running microphones via SD16's into A and B (not cascaded... because they're coming from 2 locations not near one another). However, the new configuration will see 22 microphones scattered across a great distance in the same room and rather than run long XLR cables back to one SD32, I would like to cascade 4 SD8s filling SD8 1 & 2 with 8 ins each, SD8 3 & 4 with 3 each. Can I cascade that deep?

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    • mjscalesjr
      GaryHiggins

      @mjscalesjr 


      Hello, Yes, as long as you dont excede 48x48 on a single port (Wing has 3!)


       


      EDIT: You should be able to link 6 SD8's per port for the 48 inputs. The XLR output options would still be restricted to a choice of the 3 provided switch positions for each SD8. Out 1-8/out 9-17 and out 17-24. So even though there could be 6 sets of XLR outs, only 3 options as to what would be output from any of them. Ultranet for all is aes50a 33-48.

      • June 4, 2020
  • arkatten
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-06-04

    Hi 

    just got my x32 today , and out of the box the 48volt power buttons dont seem to light up .

    and i cant get a signal from my condensor mic ..

    ive checked the manual and cant find anywhere other than the button on the desc to switch it on or off.

    and this doesnt work .

     

    any ideas ?

     

    thanks 

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    • arkatten
      RexBeckett

      @arkatten 


      Hello Ryan, welcome to the community.


       


      The button on the console affects the preamp for the currently selected channel. Each channel has independent settings for gain, phantom, etc. 


       


      You can also see/change the preamp settings on the Setup -> Preamps tab.

      • June 3, 2020
    • arkatten
      arkatten

      yeah , i got to that page , and i was able to switch the power on and off from the preamps page 2nd button from the left makes the 48v light up yellow on the display , 


      however this doesnt seem to make any difference , im still not getting a siganl coming in , or the 48v light on the desc to light up?


       


       

      • June 3, 2020
  • cracanut
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2020-06-03

    DCA and Subgroup spill functionality would be an absolute game changer and allow for many different workflows.

    Perhaps the spill could be triggered by double pressing the select button (similar to double pressing the 'Attention' button on Avid consoles)?

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  • Nyborg
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-06-03

    Hi guys, im setting up a livestream with Streamleabs using my X32 with the USB card. I got sound the sound and everything into streamlabs but the problem is the sound level on the stream. I need to have almost every fader turned all the way up. Also tried with increasing gain, but that just makes the sound far worse on the stream. The artist is also going to use monitors and it would be nice if the meters werent constantly glowing red....

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    • Nyborg
      GaryHiggins

      @Nyborg 


      Hello, try using the Ultranet or out1-16 routing instead of local for your card out's. Those menus allow you to use direct outs of the mixer ch's at later tap points like post fader. This allows more boost than if you use local which is only gain and is pre everything.

      • June 2, 2020
    • Nyborg
      Nyborg

      Thanks! That worked great, but only for the Youtube stream. Im also streaming to Facebook witch still is pretty low on volume. 

      • June 3, 2020
    • Nyborg
      -mjk- I use a stereo subgroup to feed SLOBS (so I can make a mix minus feed), and there is more than enough gain. Everything is post-fader.
      • June 3, 2020
  • mr-jolly
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-06-02

    One of the things I miss on the Wing that exists on the X32 is the input versus output meters on the effects units. The one I find most useful is on the vintage compressors:

     

    in-out.jpg

    I find it quite helpful to be able to see what is being done to the level of the signal.

    On the Wing I could see this feature, if it could be made to fit in the UI, being in multiple steps in the signal chain; EQ, Dynamics, Inserts, etc.

    Just a suggestion in case anyone on the Wing team is looking.

    Thanks,

    -mal

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  • ddchurch3
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-06-01

    When I try to record from XAir 18 into Garageband, I am unable to modify the output using the faders, effects, etc. I have tried changing the signal tap points on the USB Out page via iPad --analog, post-eq, post-fader -- without any change in the USB signal. The only control that seems to work is the channel gain.

    Any suggestions on other ways to modify the signal?

    Our church uses the XAir-18 for live worship, and now we're trying to use it for streaming, as well.

    Thanks!

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    • ddchurch3
      GaryHiggins

      @ddchurch3 


      Hello, sounds like what you tried should do it. Can you copy your scene and post it here? Probably the quickest way to locate the issue.

      • June 1, 2020
    • ddchurch3
      ddchurch3

      First time copying a scene; hope this works.

      Dave

      Worship Scene.scn
      • June 1, 2020
    • ddchurch3
      CraigFowler

      The USB out page shows that signals are sent post preamp (analogue tap point,) except for USB1+2, which are set to the analogue output (which is really the input) of bus6.  Although channels feed bus6 post-eq so you can make your livestream mix, you don't have any FX turned up in that bus.

      • June 1, 2020
    • ddchurch3
      GaryHiggins

      @ddchurch3 


      At present as Craig said, all USB ch's are being sent out pre everything so you won't get any XR ch processing to your daw. If you want them to include ch processing, including fader position and pan you need to make all usb ch sends (including 1/2) be Post fader. Also if bus 6 is your stream feed and sending it 2x as USB 1 and 2 is to get a stereo type feed. You might be better off linking bus 5 and 6 then you can actually pan each ch to that bus pair. Make USB out 1 be bus 5 and USB out 2 be bus 6. Daw ch's 1/2 should record your live feed stereo and 3-18 should record the rest of your ch's (17/18 being aux)

      • June 1, 2020
    • ddchurch3
      ddchurch3

      Thank you, Gary and Craig.


      So if I understand correctly, in order to send USB signal with effects and fader, I need to:


      1. Change USB send settings to "Post EQ + Mute" for any channels we're sending?


      2. Increase/decrease Fx via the Bus 6 faders, not just at the individual channel level?


      Sorry to be asking such basic questions. There is no one in our organization who has any knowledge of sound board operation. What little I have learned has been from YouTube and reading the manual, both of which leave many unanswered questions.


      Thank you for your help.


       


       

      • June 1, 2020
  • Herm-JanRiemer
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-06-01

    Hi guys!

    So with churches closed we had to record our band for recorded services. I recorded 32 channel outs on an pc and mixed them afterward in Ableton with waves plugins. This really boosted the quallity of our sound and we want to try using these plugins live aswell.
    Now to my question. Is it possible to run my channels from the X32 into my DAW and than back into the X32 with the processed sounds?

    And how would i be doing this?

    Thanks in advance!!
    Herm-Jan

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    • Herm-JanRiemer
      RexBeckett

      @Herm-JanRiemer 


      Yes you could do this but latency may be a problem for live use.


       


      Are you recording the preamp outputs (by routing the Card (USB) outputs from local or AES50 sources)? If so you could route the Card (USB returns) to the required channels on Routing -> Inputs. This would insert the DAW between the preamps and the channel inputs.

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      Herm-JanRiemer

      We are recording from AES50. We've got an X32 compact for FOH use, an X32 rack for inear use and a S32 to connect all the instruments.


      So route AES50 channels into DAW like i have been doing with the multitrack recording. How would i route them back into the X32 so i can still use these faders to controll volume?


       

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      CraigFowler

      Presuming you're going S32>Rack(Mons)>Compact(FOH)>DAW


      Routing on Rack remains the same.  On the Compact, Routing>Inputs, and set Inputs1-32 to Card 1-32.  This will get you your DAW-processed signals back into the FOH console for further processing\summing.


       


      It's a bit more complicated (though still doable) to get these DAW-processed signals to the monitor console as well, but I wouldn't recommend it due to the latency the DAW plugins will add to the signals.  Although the latency added might be ok for FOH, it's probably not going to be ok for monitors, especially IEMs.  Also, you're probably going to want to ensure that you send all signals to the FOH console, even if you're only running plugins on a handful, and make the DAW run some sort of automatic delay compensation across everything to ensure the signals all remain coherent when they're summed.

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      DickStraathof

      I should recommend Waves Multirack instead of your DAW. I guess Multirack will have less latency then a DAW has plus Multirack takes care automatically of the latency ( if you run their latency calculation once on all your outgoing channels).
      I have tried S32 -> X32 -> Multirack -> X32 -> P16 to IEM once, but that doesn't work because of the latency what is created, it was unduable to play.....
      But you take your mons direct from the X32 rack, so latency will occur only to the FOH sound and than it might work... trial and error is the best way to find out...
      Good luck


      DickS

      • May 31, 2020
    • Herm-JanRiemer
      Herm-JanRiemer

      Thanks! We don't run P16's though. Just normal outputs into an headphone amp with wired signal to musicians. (cheap but good) Also i thought that inears never needed the processed sounds anyway. Or is that just my assumption? I have never ran them processed anyways and musicians have never cared. 

      • June 1, 2020
  • LTisdale
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2020-05-28

    Until the HUB4 is available... My intent is to connect a Wing to a DL32 via AES50 A. And then to daisy chain the DP48s from port B on the DL32. 

    First... Will this work at all or will I have to run another data cable to the stage and configure and run them separately via the Wing's AES50 B output?

    And second... If so, will the DL32 just pass the same 48 AES50 A outputs it receives from the Wing along to the DP48s via its B port with a 1 to 1 mapping?

    Bummer that no names are passed yet... I hope that gets added to the Wing soon.

    Thanks...

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    • LTisdale
      Paul_Vannatto


      @LTisdale wrote:


      Until the HUB4 is available... My intent is to connect a Wing to a DL32 via AES50 A. And then to daisy chain the DP48s from port B on the DL32. 


      First... Will this work at all or will I have to run another data cable to the stage and configure and run them separately via the Wing's AES50 B output?





      Yes this will work.


       




      And second... If so, will the DL32 just pass the same 48 AES50 A outputs it receives from the Wing along to the DP48s via its B port with a 1 to 1 mapping?



      Yes that is correct. Whatever you send down the AES50 pipe from the Wing will be seen by both the DL32 (first 16 channels) and the DP48 (all 48 channels).


       




      Bummer that no names are passed yet... I hope that gets added to the Wing soon.



      The channel strip names are sent via AES50 and can be seen on both the Edit and Assign screens. If you are wanting the group names, those will need to be assigned using the names.csv file in the DP48 folder of the SD card, since the Wing does not have the DP48 interface yet that the X32 now has.


       

      • May 28, 2020
    • LTisdale
      GaryHiggins

      @Paul_Vannatto 


      Does that actually end up being true with the DL32 (I'm just asking)? A DL32 doesn't pass aes50 1-32 from its B port to another mixer (DP more a mixer than a stagebox), it passes its local inputs 1-32 and then aes50 33-48 gets passed straight through. I guess that could end up fine anyway if the DP48 uses the same 32 DL preamps as its ch sources. Even if it does I think I might choose another DP48 dedicated port and keep the aes50 ch assignments seperate.


       


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      • May 28, 2020
    • LTisdale
      Paul_Vannatto


      @GaryHiggins wrote:


      @Paul_Vannatto 


      Does that actually end up being true with the DL32 (I'm just asking)? A DL32 doesn't pass aes50 1-32 from its B port to another mixer (DP more a mixer than a stagebox), it passes its local inputs 1-32 and then aes50 33-48 gets passed straight through.





      Oops! You are correct Gary. Totally forgot that change with the DL32 (and S32). 


       


      @LTisdale , unfortunately Gary is correct. You will need to run a second AES50 to the DP48. If it was an S16, DL16, SD8 or SD16, you could daisy chain the stagebox and DP48 (done it). I don't own (or use) a DL32 or S32.


       

      • May 28, 2020
    • LTisdale
      GaryHiggins

      @LTisdale 


      Additionally if you use the DL (or any stagebox model) for its xlr outs, adat or p16 outs for things like traditional monitors or center fills, iq speakers, foh etc. The aes50 assignments that work well for those might not work out well for the DP48 anyway. Only to say a second port (the Wing does have 3) and second aes50 output assignment could end up being a good and necessary thing. Needing another, perhaps long, cable is a bit of a drawback.

      • May 28, 2020
    • LTisdale
      LTisdale

      Thanks for catching that Gary... And yes, my long term plan was always to eventually use AES50 B so that we can use a clean set of 48 sources for the DP48s that map in a 1 to 1 manner (and not risk someone deleting the outputs that are feeding the mains and subs by keeping the AES50 A outs unlocked in order to dual-purpose them...).  We just didn't pull a second (or third) cable when we pulled the first one and are going live pretty soon.


      Since that won't work... 


      Our installer purchased a p16D as the hub4 is not available yet. I was of the understanding that the DP48s are AES50 devices and are entirely incompatible with Ultranet. But I was watching a video yesterday and saw a P12 and P16 Ultranet mode in the setup menu for them (with no explanation...). Do they have a compatibility mode of some sort? And if so would this work with WING and DL32 sending 33-48 down AES50 A to the Ultranet port? POE this way? I really don't like this idea. (But then I also don't like the idea of a stage full of wall warts, extension cords, and data cables to temporarily chain them all together either ) . But if we can't get another cable or two pulled in time, is it even an option? Obviously only 16 sources this way (or functionally maybe only 12 with just 12 "select" buttons). 


      Thank you both. You are fantastic resources and though this is my first post here, I've read MANY of yours both here and elsewhere and am incredibly grateful.


       


       

      • May 29, 2020
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